A Church Divided: Methodists Clash Over Gay Marriage
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A Church Divided: Methodists Clash Over Gay Marriage
Church's don't change to fit society, but, people change to comply with God's laws.
Absolutely fucking disgusting.
God does not make people gay.
God is not partial in his judgement. He send his Son to the cross to DIE for our sins. So why is yours so special???
The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob has spoken already – His Word will not (ever) be changed.
So the Methodist "religion" can stop with all of the decision over gays in the pulpit. God
has already settled that one.
Sin is the transgression of the Torah 1 John 3:4
“ Messiah “ Go SIN no more
WHEN THE SON SETS YOU FREE – you are set free from sin because when you abide IN the messiah you will not sin or stumble
2 John 1:9-11
9Everyone who is transgressing and not staying in the teaching of Messiah does not possess Elohim. The one who stays in the teaching of Messiah possesses both the Father and the Son.
10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house nor greet him,
11for he who greets him shares in his wicked works.
John 7:16-17
16 ¶ Y’shua answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
17 "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from Elohim or whether I speak on My own authority.
Pslam 40:8
I delight to do Your will my Elohim Your Torah is within my Heart
John 14:15
If you love Me keep My commandments
John 15:14
You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
Matthew 23:1-3
¶ Then Y’shua( Messiah ) spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
( preaching & teaching the Torah )
3 "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that OBSERVE and DO, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
Acts 15:19-21
19“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the gentiles who are turning to Elohim,
20but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
21“For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”
( So they would go every sabbath and learn how to walk like Messiah by walking out the Torah by the set apart Spirit )
James 1:22
22And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror,
24for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like.
25But he that looked into the perfect Torah, that of freedom, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing of the Torah.
1 John 2:3-7
3And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands.
4The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
6The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.
7Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.
The Word from the beginning is the Torah and prophets
Revelation 12:9-17
9And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.
10And I heard a loud voice saying in the heaven, “Now have come the deliverance and the power and the reign of our Elohim, and the authority of His Messiah, for the accuser of our brothers, who accused them before our Elohim day and night, has been thrown down.
11“And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death.
12“Because of this rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has little time.”
13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.
14And the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, to fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
15And out of his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river after the woman, to cause her to be swept away by the river.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Elohim and possessing the witness of יהושע ( YaHUsha ) Messiah.
◄ 2 Thessalonians 2 ►
The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
1As to the coming of our Master יהושע Messiah and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers,
2not to become easily unsettled in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as if the day of יהוה has come.
3Let no one deceive you in any way, because the falling away is to come first, and the man of lawlessnessa is to be revealed, the son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohim or that is worshipped, so that he sits as Elohim in the Dwelling Place of Elohim, showing himself that he is Elohim.
5Do you not remember that I told you this while I was still with you?
6And now you know what restrains, for him to be revealed in his time.
7For the secret of lawlessness is already at work – only until he who now restrains comes out of the midst.
8And then the lawless one shall be revealed, whom the Master shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth and bring to naught with the manifestation of His coming.
9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and wonders of falsehood,
10and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those perishing, because they did not receive the love of the TRUTH, in order for them to be saved.
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WHAT IS TRUTH BIBLICAL TRUTH –
Psalms 119:142
Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Your Torah is the truth
Psalm 119:151
You are near, O YHVH,
And all Your commandments are truth.
119:160
The entirety of Your word is truth,
And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.
John 17:17
Your Word is truth sanctify them by Your Word
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11And for this reason Elohim sends them a working of delusion, for them to believe the falsehood,
12in order that all should be judged who did not believe the truth, but have delighted in the unrighteousness.
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Unrighteousness is the opposite of righteousness and we serve the Most High who does not change Malachi 3:6 and Messiah who does not change Hebrews 13:8
1 John 2:29
If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone doing righteousness has been born of Him
1 John 3:7
Do not be deceived my little children, for he who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous
Psalms 119:142
Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Your Torah is the truth
Seek ye first the kingdom of Elohim and His righteousness and all other things will be added on
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13But we ought to give thanks to Elohim always for you, brothers, beloved by the Master, because Elohim from the beginning chose you to be saved – in set-apartness of Spirit, and belief in the truth –
14unto which He called you by our Good News, for the obtaining of the esteem of our Master יהושע ( Y’shua ) Messiah.
15So, then, brothers, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or by our letter.
16And our Master יהושע ( Y’shua ) Messiah Himself, and our Elohim and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting encouragement and good expectation, through favour,
17encourage your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
Exodus 33:13-21 shows us Mosheh asked Abba to show him HIS WAY
John 14:6
Messiah said “ I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE No one comes to the Father except through Me
13 “And now, please, if I have found favour in Your eyes, please show me YOUR WAY, and let me know YOU, so that I find favour in YOUR eyes. And consider that this nation is YOUR people.”
14 And He said, “My Presence does go, and I shall give you rest.”
Matthew 11:25-30
25 ¶ At that time Y’shua answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Master of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
26 "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
27 "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
and then Abba said He knew Mosheh by name “his character”
1 Corinthians 8:3
But if anyone loves Elohim, he is known by Him.
John 14:15
"If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And then Mosheh proceeded to ask if I’ve found favor with You ! Can you show me Your esteem and Abba said to him stand on this ROCK “ Y’shua “ halleluYaH
Matthew 7:24
"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
and then in verse 22 when Abba’s esteem passed by, He hides him in a cleft of the ROCK with His Hand
Isaiah 49:15-16🖐
15 "Can a woman forget her nursing child,
And not have compassion on the son of her womb?
Surely they may forget,
Yet I will not forget you.
16 See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.
read all of chapter 49 😳wow
also in John 10:28-30
28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
We are in the palm of His hand and in 1 John He tells us how to abide in Him
1 John 3:24
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
We will be hidden from the destruction of His glorious return at the end brothers and sisters IF we continue to abide IN Him and strive to enter in by Loving Him with our whole heart and soul and strength halleluYaH He is glorious and worth of all praise 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Have can the Church go contrary to the Bible. God made male and female. I don't understand how the churches is allowing Gay marriages. The churches is doing what pleases the world and not what is right.
If you cannot abide by the BOD (as it is) then you are not a United Methodist. Pack your bags and leave. This guy is only worrief about one thing: his retirement pension plan
Saying that homosexuality is a sin seems to be the ultimate taboo in current society, at least in many parts of the world. Some who promote the homosexual agenda purposefully attack with over-the-top outrage and vitriol in order to frighten, intimidate, and discourage Christians from speaking out on the issue. Some say that if you believe homosexuality is a sin, you hate homosexuals. Or people imply that if you believe what the Bible says about homosexuality, you are a hateful, homophobic bigot. Many in the gay rights movement have gone far beyond fighting for equal rights. Some are now, in fact, fighting to take away the free speech rights of those with whom they disagree.
The Bible describes homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Homosexuality is, ultimately, a result of the Fall. The Fall has infected the entire human race with sin. Sin warps, twists, perverts, and distorts what God created us to be. Homosexuality is a perversion of the created order. Men and women were designed to "fit" together sexually. One does not have to believe what the Bible teaches in order to recognize that homosexuality is not the way things are supposed to be. The obviousness of the unnaturalness of homosexuality is likely the reason why many in the gay rights movement respond which such hate towards anyone who dares to question the rightness or normalness of the lifestyle. If it was not so obviously unnatural, if it was so clearly normal, there would be no need for some in the gay rights movement to be so vitriolic.
Sadly, some Christians (and/or some who claim to be Christians), take the Bible's teaching on homosexuality and apply/proclaim it in hateful ways. Groups like this make it very difficult for the true Christian message to be heard and understood. What is the true biblical message? Homosexuality is a sin, but it is not worse than any other sin. Through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God can and will forgive the sin of homosexuality, just as He will forgive any other sin.
Once a person has received forgiveness and salvation by faith in Jesus Christ, God can and will help him or her to overcome sin. If a homosexual receives Jesus Christ as Savior, will he/she be instantly and permanently healed of all homosexual desires? Sometimes the answer is yes. Other times, homosexual inclinations and impulses are a lifelong struggle. God does not deliver us from our sinful nature until we leave this world and join Him in heaven. All Christians struggle with sin. To say that a Christian can struggle with other sins, but not the sin of homosexuality, is unbiblical. The key word, though, is struggle. The Christian life is a struggle against sin, not a life of bondage to sin. Ultimately, a denial of the possibility of victory over homosexuality is a denial of the power of God.
Is it possible for a true Christian to give in to homosexual temptations? Yes, it is, just as it is possible for a true Christian to give in to heterosexual temptations. But, just as a Christian is no longer an adulterer or idolater, a Christian is also no longer a homosexual. First Corinthians 6:9–10 includes homosexuality in the list of things that the Corinthians were. Some of them were homosexuals, but that is not what they are any longer.
Again, the biblical message is: (1) homosexuality is a sin, (2) but homosexuality is no greater sin than any other sin, and (3) God's forgiveness, salvation, and ultimately deliverance is just as available to the homosexual as it is to everyone else. May we all remember the words of Ephesians 4:15, "…speaking the truth in love…" It is not loving to withhold the truth. And, it is not a full expression of biblical truth if it lacks love.
No way in hell ?
How is it an "act of love" between 2 men if they can't pro-create?
I'm getting tired of this stuff. Why you want to insist and called that place church. Then some christians say we are not in the end times.
I'm not Methodist but I do agree with the religion about gay marriage it is wrong I also disagree with the church on women pastors.
No to same sex marriage. From phillipines methodist churh. . Remember, you are the modern day babilon… Go to hell quene. .
ruined another church..
Thank god for UMC not like United church or Episcopalians who lost god trust
This is sad… sad to see these people support an abomination. I would really hope they repent! Being gay is sinful! The old and NEW testament says so
“From folly cometh more folly,”
The Lord Jesus Christ never taught us to go call ourselves “Protestant” or “Catholic” or anything else. Rather He said, “follow me.”
The name for such a person is, “Christian.”
All other names are but temporary and fading.
You think your going to be saved as a LGBTQ+ your not going to be saved
1:47…"…no way in hell I was going to say 'No' to my son… Sounds noble, yes? Sounds like he's standing up for his son. Indeed.
So, he said 'No' to Christ." …sounds Godly, yes? One must ask: How does Almighty Father God stand up for His Son? You don't want to see that in action.
The son resorted to emotional blackmail-
"I'll just kill myself." thus making himself multiply cursed-choosing his homosexual ways; taking his own life; forcing other people into his struggle with Elohim…thus, earning himself a long stay in hell on numerous counts.