Greg Boyd – Gay Marriage Amendment

Greg Boyd – Gay Marriage Amendment

Greg addresses a “third way” for churches to approach gay people, as well as the marriage amendment vote in Minnesota.

 

 

25 Comments on “Greg Boyd – Gay Marriage Amendment”

  1. There are no gay people!!, you white people have a problem that you have already accepted this nonsense!
    They are people who simply want to exercise their disgusting passions in everyones face.
    Look how Sodom and gomorah turned out, ALL the men of the city were ruined by this sin. even God came down !
    They have one agenda only and that is to spread this sin !!
    The bible forbids contact even with the things such people have touched
    The boundary must be clear
    Let me warn this channel that I don't agree with this particular message
    I will leave when I find that you are closely associating with this perverts who are well known to be unrepentant

  2. Satan has us believing God is the accuser, we think God judges against us, condemns us and punishes us, we even imagine Jesus turns against sinners at the second coming, therefore we behave in like manner toward others, but we have believed a lie that keeps us in the bondage of failing to love others, and if we do not love then we are not in Christ. The truth is, God is innocent, he is never against us and judges no one, Gods character is exactly as Jesus revealed it to be, and he cannot change nor deny himself. Only when we believe Christ’s revelation of Gods character can we love and know him, and be set free to love sinners as he does.

  3. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes, like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, what man has made man can destroy…. that's a quote from anton lavey. When you try and destroy gods laws, you are letting satan into your church.

  4. Revisited this sermon, I agreed with this sermon back then, but a few thoughts emerged as time goes by, Dear Dr Greg, looking at the world today be it LGBTQ or Islam or Atheism or One world religion, understand that, those people professing those ideas aren't just harmlessly keeping it to themselves, in fact, they are slowly forcing their ideas upon everybody, look at the trend of what are taught in mainstream schools, gender fluidity, Islam being the cradle of civilizations technologies (upfront lie), syariah education, distorted history about palestine, evolution with antitheistic agenda ..etc. I get your point of being all accepting, all inclusive, and non condemning attitude towards unbelievers, but at the same time God did call us to strive to be holy (with the help of holy spirit of course), just like how God called Israel to be a Holy nation, there should be a line of separation when circumstances arise, what is the definition of Holiness again? Luke 8:16 – No one light a lamp and hides it in a jar or under a bed, instead they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light. I know we are not perfect, I am not perfect, we are in no position to judge other people of their sin, but there is a huge difference between being judgmental and being vocal and stand up for the virtues of God and His kingdom, that is how light shines. Just my thought, being silent and ambigous in clear cut issues will be perceived by people as condoning. Why did people kill Jesus, apostles and countless saints throughout the ages if they are so meek? it is because they at the same time oppose openly the agendas being forced upon the believers. We should love gays but speak out against homosexualism, we should love muslims but vocally oppose Islam, we should befriend antitheist and exchange views but we have to insist God created the world, don't condemn pregnant teens but at the same time we need to stop them from terminating their pregnancy willfully. In another words I now support the lady who wrote the strong worded letters to you, perhaps she didnt phrase it the way I do, but I believe what I think now is what she mean. Sorry sir, I am truly sorry that I cannot agree with this sermon no more.

  5. This is a perversion of the word! Jesus commands us to remove that plank from our eye in order to help remove the speck from our BROTHERS eye. He is speaking about our brothers and sisters in Christ, and we are to help them in love, without hypocrisy

  6. There is a lot to like about Greg Boyd personally as well as his theology and this talk. He's excited and passionate about Jesus Christ and that's a good thing. He seems to be a genuine, loving, compassionate, decent person who tries to emulate Christ in everything. He's got a great sense of humour.

    Around 1:30 Greg says that "neither this nor any other political issue deserves a whole sermon". What would the scriptural basis be for this? Just curious. Something tells me that Greg would not have a problem preaching about comprehensive immigration reform or, during the 1950 and 1960s, against racist segregation laws. During the 1940s, would he have joined Dietrich Bonhoeffer and spoken out against Nazism? Maybe I'm wrong and Greg would remain silent on these issues. Maybe due to his pacifism he wouldn't plot to assassinate Hitler but preach against Nazism in his church? I have a hard time believing him that he wouldn't speak in his church on political matters. Given the books Greg has written, he doesn't seem shy about sharing his view on politics or right-wing policy positions. I could be wrong. Although he doesn't come out and say this directly, the underlying tone is that Jesus/God supports left-wing policy prescriptions, especially as it relates to the military, immigration, socialism, etc. Again, I could be wrong.

    Around 2:20 Greg says that God's ideal for marriage is a union between a man and a woman committed solely to each other. It misses the mark, as does, he says, divorce and adultery, polygamy, lust all miss the mark. That is where Woodlands Hills stands. I agree. However, is it just that it's not ideal like murder is not ideal or like murder, is it a sin for which a person should repent and change course? Or, is that not important?

    Around 3:15 Greg says we are all sinners. That's true. As he says, Christians should be humble and not judge others. Fair enough. However around 3:30 he goes on to imply that those who believe the Bible deems homosexual sexual relationships as sinful believe that this sin is worse than others. He lost me here. A person can believe any sin is sin but not see one was worse than the other in God's Kingdom. On earth, I would argue that murder and rape are worse than cutting/budding in line. For years, including in the Bible, some sins are punished more severely than others. We don't give murderers a few months in prison and shoplifters 25 years. This doesn't make church goers any superior or less needing Christ's grace. Christian communities should make it clear that those inside are just as broken as those outside. It should be widely, consistently, and publicly acknowledged that our churches are not holy country clubs but more like AA meetings. Christians should drop the masks and admit that they struggle with sin just like those on the outside. Yes, Christians should first take the planks out of their eyes but that doesn't mean they should be silent about something the Bible describes as harmful. Soft-peddling ANY sin, including our own, in the name of inclusiveness, does no one any favours.

    At 3:30, he talks about the church repenting about the way it has sinned toward gay people throughout history. Again, where is the scriptural admonishment of Christians to repent of other people's sins? If I sin against my brother, is it my great-grandchild's responsibility to correct and apologize for? Where does Jesus recommend group guilt? Has the church not also scapegoated divorcees? Adulterers? Thieves (see Les Miserables)? Murderers?

    Around 4:30, Greg is talking about idolatry – the idolatry of having more than you need when there are others who have less than they need. Hoarding is idolatry. Really? Can something be wrong on its own without being idolatry? This is where what Greg says sounds very much like 'liberation theology' (which itself is political) and some might wonder whether we are getting into the territory of fetishizing socialism or making poverty a virtue. Yes, it's true that the Bible and Jesus warned against greed and being indifferent to the suffering of those around us. Over and over again, Jesus points His followers to sharing and helping as did the Good Samaritan. With a few exceptions, however, deciding how much to share was often left up to the individual. There is no blanket declaration that all must sell what they have and give to the poor. I'd be curious to know what Greg finds incorrect about this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9EXnVitkmo&t=241s

    The church should, and does, warn against the LOVE of money. Or greed. Or thinking that, due to our wealth, power, or success that we have no need for God. This despite the fact that He said "the poor would always be with you". Jesus could have wiped out poverty during his ministry but he didn't. He didn't ask His followers to either. He advocated sharing, compassion, care, help etc. and left it up to His followers to decide how much. There is no HOLY amount. What's interesting is that most people don't consider themselves rich. Rich is what people are who make slightly more or have slightly more than they do.

    Around 5:00, Greg talks about how often something is mentioned in the Bible. This doesn't seem persuasive. How often is murder mentioned in the New Testament? How often does Jesus mention murder? Not much. It's assumed in his teaching. One would think it to be self-evident. How often did Jesus mention bestiality? Or rape? The number of times something is mentioned does not seem to indicate its relative harm or benefit to the individual or society nor would it seem to indicate its importance. How often does Jesus talk about the Golden Rule or the Greatest Commandment? How often are either mentioned in the Bible? It would seem loving God with all one's heart, soul, and mind and one's neighbour as oneself would be everywhere in the Bible and in Jesus' teaching. It's not mentioned that often, and yet Jesus identified it as most important. All the rest is commentary, he said.

    Yes, Jesus attracted and hung out with those who the religious people looked down on. So His followers should as well. Point taken. However, Jesus told those who he did not condemn to go and sin no more. So he didn't prevent their sin from keeping him from befriending them but because He loved them, He didn't want "to leave them that way." He wanted to heal them and make them healthy. When a doctor soft-peddles a cancer diagnosis, she doesn't her patient no harm. She does him no good by condemning him for his lifestyle choices that lead to the cancer.

    At 7:30, Greg says Christians should be the last people on the planet that tell others what is sinful. Does that rule out confessing sin to one another? Did the Woman at the Well ask Jesus to point anything out to her? Did that stop Jesus from telling her which of her behaviours were hurting her? Doesn't seem like it.

    It seems that Jesus was pretty clear about identifying self-destructive, unhealthy, harmful, and yes, sinful behaviours. The difference was the loving way He did it. With the exception of religious leaders, he didn't condemn. He befriended them. He loved them. He valued them. He redeemed them. He included them. That's what His followers should try to do as well. Not act holier-than-thou. Not single out one sin for special condemnation. Befriend. Love. Value. Include. Yet, at the same time, at some point, the church has to be clear about whether its leadership can be living in open sin.

    I believe scripture, despite what some fellow Christians like Matthew Vines believe, teaches that homosexual sex is a sin and separates from God. However, I don't think the government should criminalize it just as it doesn't criminalize common-law partnerships or pre-marital sex. In return, I believe Christians should not be forced to celebrate that which they believe is not God's ideal.

  7. Jesus in the flesh showed us an authentic man! He was a missionary to the lost and fulfilled His mission perfectly. He loved people unconditionally in that He healed them without question. And then He would tell them, "go and sin no more…"

  8. The church's main doctrine is Christ and Him crucified.  This guy says that the church should not speak about sin.  it is sin that nailed Christ to the cross.  Is it okay to overlook all the sin in the world just because we are also sinners?  St. Paul writes that homosexuality is an abomination to Our God.  Unrepentant sin leads to everlasting hell, so are we to not warn the sinner just because we are also sinners and need Christ's redemption.Christ loved and died for all sinners so we should love all sinners also.  Would it not be showing love to tell them that they are indeed sinning by having homosexual relationships and warn them to stop it and seeks God's forgiveness through the gift of His Son?We preach the law to show us our sins and the gospel to show of God's grace in forgiveness. This good man misses the mark when it comes to preaching and teaching the whole council of God.

  9. Bringing sin into the church spreads it like a canker (cancer). That's why Paul tells us to not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother and practices certain sins. So that 1.) The sin will not spread in the church and lead others astray to tolerate, accept or practice it, and 2.) So the person claiming the name of Christ will experience the consequences of his sins and repent, and 3.) So that Christ is not slandered by those who name His Name and act abominably.
    @Greg Boyd Yes, some sins are worse than others. Not always the way we categorize them, but there is a hierarchy. Rape, murder, and sodomy are worse than lusting, stealing food or cheating on your homework.
    All sins? Yes.
    All wrong? Yes.
    All worthy of judgment? Yes.
    All the same level? No!
    Matthew 7 says to take out the log from your own eye SO THAT you can help your brother remove his speck. It means judge yourself first, judge justly, with righteous judgment- John 7:24, Zech 8:16, not hypocritically or with self-righteousness.
    Since we are saved by Christ's righteousness, we are not self righteous. Jesus is telling you the RIGHT way to judge! Not saying that you shouldn't judge.
    1 Cor 5 starts with Paul saying "I have already judged (the person doing this evil)" "deliver him to Satan for the destruction of the body, that his soul may be saved" "Purge out the old leaven"
    "I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner— not even to eat with such a person." "Therefore put away from yourself the evil person"

    1 Cor 6 starts off with Paul mocking the Corinthian church. 'Why do you go before the courts of unbelievers? Don't you know you shall judge angels? Don't you have any wise men to judge matters here on earth?' (Paraphrase)
    Then he goes right into verses 9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." Then says that as Christians, you used to do that, but now you are cleansed. Also the same in Gal 5:19-21

  10. Wow I hope this man changed his weak cowardly attitude since he gave this pathetic message years ago. He did not represent the truth.The truth is, any group of people who have declared God a liar, and are trying to force God’s people to deny His command, then Christians must stand for the truth and resist. In his pious, self righteous attitude, he did not understand that these people are not seeking for mercy and forgiveness in the church. They are not being judged as being “sinners above all sinners”. Instead they are being RESISTED from trying to break down our doors like they tried to break down Lot’s door. That is what amazes me about this man. The fact that he had no spiritual wisdom to understand the difference. Homosexuals who confess, they are not living right and are seeking to hear the message of forgiveness and deliverance from sin…these people are welcomed in the church and are not being rejected. It is the evil, arrogant homosexuals who are telling people in the church that they are NOT living in sin. That homosexuality is acceptable to God and we should just accept them as they are. This is a lie from the pit of hell, and it should be rejected and condemned. God does not save us in our sin, He saves us FROM our sins. So when any preacher gives a weak response to sinful behavior like this man did, then watch out! There is probably a bunch of unrepentant homosexuals in your church.

  11. And the devil sits back and laughs. The fact that you say there are openly gay people in your congregation and you won't tell them the truth. Hell is real and these people need to know the truth. Tickling there ears just to grow your congregation does No one any good. Eternity is serious business. God's word never changes. Do your flock a favor and tell them the truth.

  12. Sorry folks, but I urge you to stay away from Greg! He is too weak to speak out against wickedness like we are supposed to do, and he also supports Gun Control!

  13. This guy has a amazing skill of twisting scripture out of context and picking and choosing…There are different levels of sin, he dismisses discernment of spirits and considers it judging. This Dude is a coward period and a advocate of false compassion. Withholding his truth from a person who is walking in sin. Then he said marriage is a political issue. I guess he is holier than all the Apostles and Jesus. Paul said to expel the immoral brother and Why didnt Jesus pick a person who was a homosexual to walk with him? No wonder why. This man only a coward hiding behind religion and thats called religiousity.

  14. Why did he only quote 1/2 of verse 13 in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13? Oh I see, because the first half says that God will judge those outside the church and his point is that we should not judge anyone. Ok… but what about the rest of 13 which says "Put away from you (the church) the evil person"? He left that out because it goes against his anything is ok Christianity racket.

    This is the same exact thing Satan does when he uses scripture to make his "point".

  15. God / Jesus calls us all to repentance. No one should expect to enjoy church attendance or experience Gods peace, love or joy of salvation if they’re continuing to sin unrepentantly.

    “Then began he (Jesus) to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:”
    21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
    22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
    23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
    24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
    https://www.bible.com/1/mat.11.20.kjv

    This sadly confused person (Boyd) needs to read Matthew 11… and listen to Jesus abraid cities which failed to REPENT.

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