Homosexuality & the Race Analogy – John Corvino
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Many LGBT rights advocates have drawn inspiration from the civil rights movement for African-Americans. In response, social conservatives often object that the …
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Homosexuality & the Race Analogy – John Corvino
There isn't an argument over whether homosexuality is a choice. Simon LeVay has conducted studies that reveal that homosexuality can be caused by prenatal hormones.
Also, homophobia and racism share the same level of irrationality. They're both ridiculous and laughable.
I'm honestly not sure why his videos are not more widely viewed.
I would LOVE to see the other side of this argument have someone as articulate and logical present a counter point that's as well thought out and fact based as this. For good reason, it will never happen. John you're a boss and I love you.
I say that be homosexual is no more a choice than being black is a choice. Since I am a black person who is also a lesbian I find the argument of who is most oppressed laughable and a waste of time. We should work to get rid of oppression in all it's forms.
"…gay people can't count on their families for support…"
Yup. Sadly.
I've been enjoying these videos all day.
Not sure why authorization would be required. Have you tried again recently?
I've always been a gay rights supporter, but you're arguments are so well structured. It's like you take my opinion and turn it into poetry. go you!
This is great. Thank you, John!
Thank you for the video, it's great.
LMAO, 'Mom, Dad, I'm Asian.' Sorry It was just too funny for me. LMAO
Being homosexual is not a choice! Being homophobic is.
Also… another thing to consider is the fact that white gay folks still have white privilege.
@kimballamye Being afraid of gay people is not a choice, but forcing your opinions on people. I can hate all gay people, but until I bully someone because of my phobia then there is nothing wrong.
This guy is freakin' brilliant!
It is just as much of a choice as a behavior. You choose what opinions you have, that's how having opinions work. I'm not saying it is wrong to have such opinion, but it is a choice.
Bravo John, bravo. I am a mixed race man and so perhaps it's unsurprising that it has always been very clear to me that LGBT rights are CIVIL rights, it's that simple. As a result, I cannot say how much it pains me when other people of colour choose, yes, choose to speak out against other peoples right to equality.
Short memories some of you bothers and sisters have got there.
I had the pleasure of seeing Dr. Corvino when he spoke at Texas State University a few years ago. Change my life. He is a great role model for young GLBT students.
Discriminatory behavior may have different effects in different spheres. That is, different oppressed groups often face different challenges. Even different racially oppressed groups face different challenges.
That said, bigotry and the ways that people justify it are fundamentally the same in all spheres. Homophobes and racists, even when not literally the same people, use the same kind of fallacious arguments in an attempt to find a morally relevant difference where there really isn't one.
Technically lesbian couples have twice the breeding power of a straight one. Its not like sperm is hard to come by, most couples will know a willing donor. You might think that is immoral or something but its their own choice.
I simply refuse to believe that the whole world would turn gay, its absolutely absurd. If everyone wanted to do that they could already do it regardless of any laws. Plenty of gay couples want, and do have kids.
Nearly all same sex marriage activists equate their goal of SSM civil rights equality to the black civil rights movement. This is the reason why black folks are majority opposed to SSM, and NOT because of the issues Corvino describes in this video. Corvino is silent on SSM and race relations in this video. He sidesteps the main issue while highlighting what is known by all reasonable, non-homophobic folks.
This is a white, upper middle class elitist answer (IVF and surrogacy), as if you didn't know, whoever does it. Besides the cost associated with what you refer to, which 98% of the world could not afford, it is a discriminatory process of selecting which embryo is superior according to genes, resulting in abortions of those deemed inferior – inc. potentially gays, if its a hetero IVF.
lol what the heck are you on? Why is pedophilia always the next logical step anyway? Why not marriages between trees and people or with inanimate objects? And if everyone else was gay would you suddenly find the same sex attractive? Gay people didn't just fall from the sky yesterday, they've been here a long time, and I don't think I see the heterosexual population diminishing in numbers. That is a ridiculous argument and hope you know it. In fact its not an argument at all.
Because the reason for marriage was to keep 2 biological parents in the same house. Today the reasons for marriage is money, sociological gain, pleasure, or any other definition and divorce is the first course of action rather than the last.. When you destroy the roots of marriage anything goes including pedophilia.
Today? Heh, you are cute. Marriage has been used as a political tool to gain money, societal status, power or sex for thousands of years. An in all these cases you pesented, we are talking about two consenting adults. What if people can't have kids? You think they shouldn't be allowed to marry?
How is not wanting to pass your genes not sane? Guess what, we are not animals, we don't need to act like them.
And of course, non-white gays have got to deal with multiple forms of discrimination, including racism internal and external to the gay community.
I would love to meet you. You should make more videos! 🙂
The slavery thing, that is correct gays didnt have that, but they did get executed, castrated, put in prison, tortured etc, different but still you know, screwed up which has a domino effect down the line that it was extremely unacceptable till the 60s or so in most the western world, or even till 2003 some US stats still had it illegal. Something alot of people forget.
I keep seeing these videos to train myself so whenever someone throws me any topic like that "Ill be ready".
You know, if you use a hell of a lot of spray tan, being white might be just a phase…
@fawkUtube Your arguments are flawed, and in one point even prove the opposite point. Yes in the animal world the dominant male fights to the death to pass on his genes. Some of the other males therefore form long lasting bonds with other males. But even that is beside the point, because (hopefully) you are not about to tell me that you get your moral code from the animal kingdom. We as humans ought to be able to above that at this point in our history, don't you think. All the arguments, be it religious or secular or whatever against allowing gay civil marriage are moot at this point: Gays are our fellow human beings, our fellow tax paying citizens, our family, our friends, our colleagues, our military…so stop denying them their rights.
Smart dude!
Want to be homosexual then go ahead but you will regret your decision once you go to hell
this is an awesome video for bible studying students.
To teach them how people diplomatically twist scripture.
If this guy would be selling shit.I would buy it…so convincing..
Thank you so much for putting my feelings into language..
in the early 20th century, people were vehemently expelling gay from position of power. However, after the civil rights movement, that's when Henry K wanted black communities to accept homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle. All of the so called evidence for "born" that way were flawed. Also, in some cases a male may have been sexually confused or effeminate and be labeled as gay.
Actually, many people in the LGBT Movement do not have such a nuanced view of this analogy. They will simply equate sexual orientation with race or, even, as the recent uproar against Trump's re-instatement of the trans ban in the military shows, equate sex with race, and when you do that, something like this happens:
Person: So, yeah, let's see the new Star Wars.
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Person 2: Oh, my apologies. I am so very sorry. I'll wait outside. I had no idea you were such a devout Christian.
Person: Excuse me?
Person 2: You believe nudity is something shameful or that it will cause me to look at you with uncontrollable lust. That's the Supernatural Christian belief in Original Sin, committed by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. I would have never known, especially since I only got a B in our evolutionary biology class. You got an A. Geez, you think you know people.
Person: I'm an atheist!
Person 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.
Person: Don't you see the big poster of Sam Harris right above my bed?
Person 2: Well, yes, maybe you're just a right-wing Christian double agent sent here to spy on our safe spaces.
Person: Seriously?!
Person 2: Yeah, seriously. I really resent that you would profile me as someone who would go all psychopathically horny at the sight of you undressing merely based upon my perceived gender. You're all in favor of racial profiling, too, right?
Person: What the fuck?
Person 2: Stop and frisk?
Person: You gotta be–
Person 2: Black lives matter, you know.
Person: What does that have to do–
Person 2: Intersectionality. Everything goes together. Gender profiling is racial profiling, and racial profiling is racism. You voted for Trump, right?
Person: I DID NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP!
Person 2: I don't believe you.
Person: Oh Mother of, er…
Person 2: Mother of God? Come on, just say it. The closet is a lonely, stifling place. Even for a bigoted Trumpkin like you.
Person: You know what? Fine. I’ll just go like this. Okay, let’s just forget this surreal—
Person 2: You think I want to be seen now with a Trump Voter out in public?
Person: You can’t be serious.
Person 2: You’ve got be prepared to pay the price for your beliefs. Didn’t they teach you that in Sunday School?
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Person 2: (in a mocking sing song voice) You voted for Trump!
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Person 2: (still sing song) Putin is your secret boyfriend!
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Person 2: Well, we wouldn't get tickets anyway. See ya. (exits)
Person: Oh, Jesus Christ.
Person 2: (offstage) I heard that!
i like ur voice u should be in a pixar movie or something
preach