49 Comments on “Kevin Rudd launches passionate defence of gay marriage”
"You don't choose to be gay"….. Interesting proposal. If it is indeed true, them maybe Islam is also true, as Islamists say exactly the same: "You don't choose to be Muslim, cause you were actually born that way. Thus, people don't "convert" to Islam, but rather "revert" to it, thereby expressing the inclination they were naturally born with, but never had the courage to recognize". I guess I should start watching Mufti Menk's videos!
God Bless you Kevin Rudd.
OHHHH BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The government says that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because of people's religious beliefs, but isn't the government supposed to stay separate from religion so as to prevent biased voting???
Just asking, I am actually a devout Christian but I think that this argument is ridiculous. LOVE IS LOVE.
The pastor probably believes if he opens his eyes and stares wider, somehow Kevin Rudd would stop talking.
fuck you Kevin
I am a Christian and I agree with what Kevin has said. Jesus calls us to love one another just as he has loved us. He does mention that homosexuality is wrong and that it is a sin. But so is pride. So is lying. So is lust. So is hatred..so are many more sins that us so called 'Christians' commit on a daily basis. If you are showing hatred towards people, you yourself are sinning because to not love others is a sin. And by discriminating against homosexuals, we are being hypocrites because we are all sinners. Jesus says that if you condemn others, you yourself will be condemned. I agree with Kevin, and his admirable courage to stand up for gay rights. There is overflowing love from above, and once you realize that Jesus didn't come to judge but to give us love, grace and a pillar to lean on whenever we need, the sooner you will see that in him, there is no sin. On one mans shoulders, the whole worlds shame and sin was placed, and he was nailed to a cross for you. Because he loves you.
There is no proof, in any way, that a male human being is built to crave to insert his penis in another man's rectum.
There is no proof, or, evidence of any kind human beings are born sodomites.
Marriage equality has arrived in the United States. Most Christians support it. Some say they have to be against marriage equality because they must be faithful to the Gospel. Which Gospel are they preaching? In the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John I find no reference to Christ or anyone else speaking against homosexuals. Nor do I see anyone calling to create civil laws to impose morality on others or to prepare to avoid lawsuits when you discriminate. I see Jesus spending a lot of time with the very people the religious conservatives most despised. I see Jesus speaking against the smug, self-righteous religious conservatives over and over again. I see that the religious conservatives took Jesus to be tried and beaten and killed. I guess today's anti-gays are modern day Pharisees who manufactured their own gospel of prejudice.
Australia is not a theocracy. If there is not good logic within the argument against same sex marriage; then there is not. If Deeply Conservative Deeply Fundamentalist Christians want to get their way they need to have a good actual logical argument and not their typical argument which is almost always based on baseless superstitions.
People wrestle with the scriptures to their own destruction.
Didn't marriage get altered in usa because of the vote of 5 judges? No substitute for the vote of the people. If gays are 'born' as Kevin says, was Kevin Rudd born dense and irritating? Keep marriage just the way it is. Rudd is a fake and a dog. As for slavery, we will be enslaved by his economic mismanangement and ongoing debt.
If you are a sincere follower of God, Plz read these verses:
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.” Romans 1:26-28 “But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” Mark 10:6-9 “The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.” 1 Timothy 1:10-11 “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13 “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22 “The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” Genesis 19:1-5 Bible Verses About Homosexuality
By the way Homosexuality is NOT a Natural trait because NO Genes have been found that reflect homosexuality in an individual.
To all the religious fanactics that clearly pretend to be holy here.
Religions all of them stand in a filthy glass house of child molesting sin so religions and their lemming followers who clearly condone the most imhumane crimes against children are in no position to be throwing stones at anyone least of all the gay community.
Religions make billions world wide yet pay fuck all taxes yet want to put their filthy pedophile condoning noses into politics.
Every Religion should be taxed on their billion $ pedophile fund and start contributing to world wide economies instead of draining them…
If religions can spend million on legal fees for pedophile priests that they CHOSE to hide for decades then the sin cave churches can pay TAXES
The bible is a man made book written by sexually repressed men who didnt even know where the sun went at night.
I hope none of you pedophile condoning religious freaks wear mixed fabric or eat shell fish when you go into church pretending to be holy.
If all you people with a massiah complex want to go on about sin start within your church amd make your way out!!!!
If you are a Christian, you are a follower of Christ. As a follower of Christ you follow his teaching. Same Sex marriage is against the teachings of God and that is a rejection of God himself. You are not a Christian just by accepting some parts of the Bible as it suits your agenda. Being a Christian is fully committing every part of your life to Christ. And that includes your sexuality, your sexual preference and your marriage partner. Christians, true believers will always put Christ's agenda first not man's.
One by one , Australia's Prime Minister's "informed conscience arguments" destroyed 1- Marriage equality: There can't be equality in such "marriages" because we are missing the needed components to fulfill the marriage; fundamentally the complementary of the male & female sexual organs among, other things. 2- They are born gay; There are no studies that conclude that assumption; it's like saying: You are born a criminal, or you are born uneducated and there is nothing you can do about it. 3-The abnormality of homosexuality: Is it normal for a member of any species to be attracted and joined to another of the same sex and still survive? 4- legal recognition: What's the purpose of the Law? to protect society or to endanger it? to help its subjects by conducting honest research on issues like the homosexual phenomenon or to further damage them by making right their obvious abnormality? 5- Slavery is a natural condition (in the bible): Yes, any type of sin is unfortunately, a natural condition, but that doesn't make it right;. Jesus never said that slavery was good, rather He taught us how to defeat evil by not retaliating "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also" 6- The fundamental condition of humanity, (according to the gospel) Love: What Love is and it is not is a very extensive topic, but put simple: an inclination to unnatural acts it is NOT love, just as it is not love to condone distortion, even if your fellow brother is asking for it. 7- Lastly, the unnatural condition of homosexuality from a scientific point of view: Besides what's been pointed out, it suffices to say that according to doctors and many studies: sodomy is a very dangerous and unhealthy practice, both physically and psychologically… and the same goes for the majority of homosexual acts.
I'm guessing the last thing the pastor was expecting was for Kevin Rudd to use the Bible against him.
I find it comical that people always want to bring up slavery as an example of how antiquated and irrelevant the bible is today. The fact is that slavery in biblical times was not what we think of slavery within the last few centuries. For example, slavery was an economic issue and not one of race. You could sell yourself into slavery for economic reasons. The bible also makes it clear that the practice of man stealling or the slave trade is absolutely forbidden. “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Slavery was an unfortunate part of a fallen world but God made it clear that slavery has rules that must be followed and after 7 years you must let them go and their debt is paid in full.
Man who lie down with man will not inherit God's Kingdom.
Are ladies not good enough… Some people are just possessed.
rudd the the worst pm ever, labor the party for knob jockeys and carpet crunchers
white caucasian are demon race on our planet may god protect us from them
That guy is serious than he knows nothing about Roman Slavery. Not in any way the same as American slavery. I don't think he understands the Bible as well as he pretends to. Typical polotician.
Blasphemy. This man is a LIAR who is AGAINST Gods word and order. This is new world order theology RUDD is a DUDD
The teacher, KR, is demonically possessed by the Spirit of Jezebel. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, one level lower than sin, an act The FATHER of Christ Jesus HATES! There is NO wiggle room not is it up for discussion. Homosexuality is a Luciferian concept.There is NO scripture that justifies the homosexual; any one who does try to justify it is a false teacher! KR is a false teacher. Do NOT go to that building, it is NOT a Church of GOD, it IS a Church of the Devil!!!
this is a big one blinded person…
His conclusion follows from his premises, however ever single one of his premises are false.
This man is delusional
What a wise man.
Kevin Rudd, a devout Christian?? aahahahahahahah. That's a good one.
Hypocrite Rudd had a massive majority in government and DID NOTHING. Same as Julia Gillard who was proudly against SSM. Wanted to be elected again and had a 'change of heart' and attacks the same people he previously agreed with.
The bible says people who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God
I like this prime minister. Why can’t my president be like him?
Wonder if Kevs daughter fancies him? He might fancy her too…he should have a little talk with her…love is love Kev….
Something about the question that was put back to the audience member, brought out his inner coward – he couldn't say what he really thought … too embarrassing, to publicly express his ridiculous, bigoted personal view. This is what one looks like on religion … it's a helluva drug … ??
The pastor is merely quoting scriptures out of context without a deep understanding of what these verses really mean. This is so irresponsible!
2:05 Christians are upset with the Scattering of women from their Community due to popular vote
the Christians with Government Positions of authority in Australia recognized the relationships of homosexuals instead of the relationships of straight Christian men that took the Scriptures to heart…
The fact is LGBT are always hurting their cells more, it is a sin, a pleasure that only reflects on oneself, and the society can't accept
How can this man be a devout christian? What hypocrite he is only second to John Howard.
Rudd always was a hypocrite. I knew him at school. One lie after the other to get ahead. Believe me, he's no Christian. He uses it to get votes.
It saddens me to see al these anti-religious people these days. Christianity is the foundation of western civilisation, culture and ethics around the world. It is in our best interest to conserve our identity through such values.
Keep religion out of life and it'll be a perfect world!
"You don't choose to be gay"….. Interesting proposal. If it is indeed true, them maybe Islam is also true, as Islamists say exactly the same: "You don't choose to be Muslim, cause you were actually born that way. Thus, people don't "convert" to Islam, but rather "revert" to it, thereby expressing the inclination they were naturally born with, but never had the courage to recognize". I guess I should start watching Mufti Menk's videos!
God Bless you Kevin Rudd.
OHHHH BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The government says that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because of people's religious beliefs, but isn't the government supposed to stay separate from religion so as to prevent biased voting???
Just asking, I am actually a devout Christian but I think that this argument is ridiculous. LOVE IS LOVE.
The pastor probably believes if he opens his eyes and stares wider, somehow Kevin Rudd would stop talking.
fuck you Kevin
I am a Christian and I agree with what Kevin has said. Jesus calls us to love one another just as he has loved us. He does mention that homosexuality is wrong and that it is a sin. But so is pride. So is lying. So is lust. So is hatred..so are many more sins that us so called 'Christians' commit on a daily basis. If you are showing hatred towards people, you yourself are sinning because to not love others is a sin. And by discriminating against homosexuals, we are being hypocrites because we are all sinners. Jesus says that if you condemn others, you yourself will be condemned. I agree with Kevin, and his admirable courage to stand up for gay rights. There is overflowing love from above, and once you realize that Jesus didn't come to judge but to give us love, grace and a pillar to lean on whenever we need, the sooner you will see that in him, there is no sin. On one mans shoulders, the whole worlds shame and sin was placed, and he was nailed to a cross for you. Because he loves you.
There is no proof, in any way, that a male human being is built to crave to insert his penis in another man's rectum.
There is no proof, or, evidence of any kind human beings are born sodomites.
Marriage equality has arrived in the United States. Most Christians support it. Some say they have to be against marriage equality because they must be faithful to the Gospel. Which Gospel are they preaching? In the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John I find no reference to Christ or anyone else speaking against homosexuals. Nor do I see anyone calling to create civil laws to impose morality on others or to prepare to avoid lawsuits when you discriminate. I see Jesus spending a lot of time with the very people the religious conservatives most despised. I see Jesus speaking against the smug, self-righteous religious conservatives over and over again. I see that the religious conservatives took Jesus to be tried and beaten and killed. I guess today's anti-gays are modern day Pharisees who manufactured their own gospel of prejudice.
Australia is not a theocracy.
If there is not good logic within the argument against same sex marriage; then there is not. If Deeply Conservative Deeply Fundamentalist Christians want to get their way they need to have a good actual logical argument and not their typical argument which is almost always based on baseless superstitions.
People wrestle with the scriptures to their own destruction.
Didn't marriage get altered in usa because of the vote of 5 judges? No substitute for the vote of the people. If gays are 'born' as Kevin says, was Kevin Rudd born dense and irritating? Keep marriage just the way it is. Rudd is a fake and a dog. As for slavery, we will be enslaved by his economic mismanangement and ongoing debt.
If you are a sincere follower of God, Plz read these verses:
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
“For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.” Romans 1:26-28
“But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” Mark 10:6-9
“The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.” 1 Timothy 1:10-11
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13
“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22
“The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” Genesis 19:1-5
Bible Verses About Homosexuality
By the way Homosexuality is NOT a Natural trait because NO Genes have been found that reflect homosexuality in an individual.
To all the religious fanactics that clearly pretend to be holy here.
Religions all of them stand in a filthy glass house of child molesting sin so religions and their lemming followers who clearly condone the most imhumane crimes against children are in no position to be throwing stones at anyone least of all the gay community.
Religions make billions world wide yet pay fuck all taxes yet want to put their filthy pedophile condoning noses into politics.
Every Religion should be taxed on their billion $ pedophile fund and start contributing to world wide economies instead of draining them…
If religions can spend million on legal fees for pedophile priests that they CHOSE to hide for decades then the sin cave churches can pay TAXES
The bible is a man made book written by sexually repressed men who didnt even know where the sun went at night.
I hope none of you pedophile condoning religious freaks wear mixed fabric or eat shell fish when you go into church pretending to be holy.
If all you people with a massiah complex want to go on about sin start within your church amd make your way out!!!!
If you are a Christian, you are a follower of Christ. As a follower of Christ you follow his teaching. Same Sex marriage is against the teachings of God and that is a rejection of God himself. You are not a Christian just by accepting some parts of the Bible as it suits your agenda. Being a Christian is fully committing every part of your life to Christ. And that includes your sexuality, your sexual preference and your marriage partner. Christians, true believers will always put Christ's agenda first not man's.
One by one , Australia's Prime Minister's "informed conscience arguments" destroyed 1- Marriage equality: There can't be equality in such "marriages" because we are missing the needed components to fulfill the marriage; fundamentally the complementary of the male & female sexual organs among, other things. 2- They are born gay; There are no studies that conclude that assumption; it's like saying: You are born a criminal, or you are born uneducated and there is nothing you can do about it. 3-The abnormality of homosexuality: Is it normal for a member of any species to be attracted and joined to another of the same sex and still survive? 4- legal recognition: What's the purpose of the Law? to protect society or to endanger it? to help its subjects by conducting honest research on issues like the homosexual phenomenon or to further damage them by making right their obvious abnormality? 5- Slavery is a natural condition (in the bible): Yes, any type of sin is unfortunately, a natural condition, but that doesn't make it right;. Jesus never said that slavery was good, rather He taught us how to defeat evil by not retaliating "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also" 6- The fundamental condition of humanity, (according to the gospel) Love: What Love is and it is not is a very extensive topic, but put simple: an inclination to unnatural acts it is NOT love, just as it is not love to condone distortion, even if your fellow brother is asking for it. 7- Lastly, the unnatural condition of homosexuality from a scientific point of view: Besides what's been pointed out, it suffices to say that according to doctors and many studies: sodomy is a very dangerous and unhealthy practice, both physically and psychologically… and the same goes for the majority of homosexual acts.
I'm guessing the last thing the pastor was expecting was for Kevin Rudd to use the Bible against him.
I find it comical that people always want to bring up slavery as an example of how antiquated and irrelevant the bible is today. The fact is that slavery in biblical times was not what we think of slavery within the last few centuries. For example, slavery was an economic issue and not one of race. You could sell yourself into slavery for economic reasons. The bible also makes it clear that the practice of man stealling or the slave trade is absolutely forbidden. “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Slavery was an unfortunate part of a fallen world but God made it clear that slavery has rules that must be followed and after 7 years you must let them go and their debt is paid in full.
Man who lie down with man will not inherit God's Kingdom.
Are ladies not good enough… Some people are just possessed.
rudd the the worst pm ever, labor the party for knob jockeys and carpet crunchers
white caucasian are demon race on our planet may god protect us from them
Leviticus 20:13 The Holy Bible
They"ll say anything.. he's not a christian…
Sodom and Gomorrah
God is Love and Love Wins.
That guy is serious than he knows nothing about Roman Slavery. Not in any way the same as American slavery. I don't think he understands the Bible as well as he pretends to. Typical polotician.
Blasphemy. This man is a LIAR who is AGAINST Gods word and order. This is new world order theology RUDD is a DUDD
The teacher, KR, is demonically possessed by the Spirit of Jezebel. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, one level lower than sin, an act The FATHER of Christ Jesus HATES! There is NO wiggle room not is it up for discussion. Homosexuality is a Luciferian concept.There is NO scripture that justifies the homosexual; any one who does try to justify it is a false teacher! KR is a false teacher. Do NOT go to that building, it is NOT a Church of GOD, it IS a Church of the Devil!!!
this is a big one blinded person…
His conclusion follows from his premises, however ever single one of his premises are false.
This man is delusional
What a wise man.
Kevin Rudd, a devout Christian?? aahahahahahahah. That's a good one.
Hypocrite Rudd had a massive majority in government and DID NOTHING. Same as Julia Gillard who was proudly against SSM. Wanted to be elected again and had a 'change of heart' and attacks the same people he previously agreed with.
The bible says people who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God
Which means homos say hello to the lake of fire
God, I love Kevin Rudd so much #gethimbackinofficenow
I like this prime minister.
Why can’t my president be like him?
Wonder if Kevs daughter fancies him? He might fancy her too…he should have a little talk with her…love is love Kev….
Something about the question that was put back to the audience member, brought out his inner coward – he couldn't say what he really thought … too embarrassing, to publicly express his ridiculous, bigoted personal view. This is what one looks like on religion … it's a helluva drug … ??
The pastor is merely quoting scriptures out of context without a deep understanding of what these verses really mean. This is so irresponsible!
2:05
Christians are upset with the Scattering of women from their Community due to popular vote
the Christians with Government Positions of authority in Australia recognized the relationships of homosexuals instead of the relationships of straight Christian men that took the Scriptures to heart…
The fact is LGBT are always hurting their cells more, it is a sin, a pleasure that only reflects on oneself, and the society can't accept
How can this man be a devout christian?
What hypocrite he is only second to John Howard.
Rudd always was a hypocrite. I knew him at school. One lie after the other to get ahead. Believe me, he's no Christian. He uses it to get votes.
It saddens me to see al these anti-religious people these days. Christianity is the foundation of western civilisation, culture and ethics around the world. It is in our best interest to conserve our identity through such values.
Keep religion out of life and it'll be a perfect world!