27 Comments on “N T Wright on Gay Marriage”

  1. So he's not for gay marriage then? He was never clear on that – he only talked about how he didn't like the government changing the meaning of a word.

  2. I dont think the gay marriage movement sought to change the definition of the word, but simply make it more inclusive, broader. Marriage is still the union of two people in love. That doesnt downgrade it. That brings it up to its full potential! So its not as if the whole definition was changed. Even if it were, language DOES change over time. Always has, always will. This guy is wrong in saying that marriage has always meant the union of man and woman. Its true that that has been the commonly held understanding for a few hundred years; as soon as the Church got its hands on it. But marriage has its roots further back than that, and it was not a religious matter. All the pro gay marriage movement was suggesting was that love is and should be a stronger unifying factor than whats between your legs! Of course when a Church carries out a marriage, because of their odd pre-occupation with private toilet parts, they should not be forced to marry people of the same sex. Its important that they are allowed to observe Christian doctrine, however unpalatable it seems to be. But I cant understand the cruelty of people who know the benefits of marriage on the individuals, and on society, but want to try and deny it to others.

  3. I'm gay and proud of it thanks, There is a Homosexual lifestyle what is that? I love love love Homosexual sex and my relationships Aren't broken. Do all Christians sound and say stupid things? It like all Christian are talking like it's the middles as well like you been brainwashed snap-out of it. God loves me just as Gay as I am thank you very much.

  4. He talks about how the Nazis and the Stalinists changed the meanings of words, thus associating same-sex marriage with murderous political regimes. He does not mention how Christianity changed the meaning of "love" and how the American and French Revolutions changed the meaning of "equality," "liberty" and "freedom," or how contemporary politics is changing the meaning of "diversity." Not to mention how cybernetics has changed the meanings of "mouse," "portal," "link," "web," etc.

    He lies by denying that same-sex marriage ever existed—-it did, in the Near East. He avoids the historical fact that marriage has always been an economic transaction, as in Jacob's simultaneous marriages to the two daughters of Laban (he bought them); and he omits the fact that in all but the most undeveloped and theocratic countries today marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state (as is divorce) and therefore cannot be denied to mentally competent citizens, especially not on the grounds of religious teachings. He is a narrow-minded, backward bigot trying to disguise his prejudice with specious propositions.

  5. How can these people be serious?? What's more important? Semantics or Human Rights? A study of nationwide data from across the United States from January 1999 to December 2015 revealed that the establishment of same-sex marriage is associated with a significant reduction in the rate of attempted suicide among children, with the effect being concentrated among children of a minority sexual orientation, resulting in about 134,000 fewer children attempting suicide each year in the United States.

  6. Wow, this Archbishop has problems. Immediately upon being asked about the future of the C of E he referred to John c17, equating the C of E with the church of Christ. Sorry Archbishop, the bible and the words of Jesus were there long before the C of E.

  7. There is a wicked Agenda going on,which the UN and the so called elite's such as Bill Gates,Ted Turner,Rothchilds just to name a few,they want Depopulation on a massive scale,they helped to put these laws through on purpose so they will Not increase too quickly,in the mean time,they have worked on poisoning badly with viruses ect every so many batchs of vaccine's,I know of cases where people died after getting flu injection's,also they are geo engineering the weather with HAARP and CERN,so badly to make the step's of Project Blue Beam come through,just what Searge Monast warned about back in 1993,and Now it's here

  8. AS A PROUD CHRISTIAN GAY MAN WHO IS MARRIED TO MY WONDERFUL HUSBAND, WE'RE NOT LISTENING ANYMORE. THE WORLD HAS MOVED ON. WE JUST DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THE CHURCH THINK OR FEEL ABOUT GAYS AND GAYS MARRYING. THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IS A HUGE DINOSAUR THAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TODAY. AND WE'VE MOVED ON BYE BYE. YOUR THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD BOOK WRITTEN BY AND FOR NOMADS IN THE DESERT IS UTTERLY EXTRANEOUS. WE JUST DON'T GIVE A TOSS IN OTHER WORDS.

  9. Homosexuality is a sin, period. Therefore homosexual marriage is a sin, period. However, marriage is not the business of the state and therefore the state has nothing to say, in the legislative sense, about consenting adults marrying. Get the state out of marriage and leave the debate to church and the public square.

  10. Faith is another word that has been redefined in an attempt to change culture and attack Christianity. Faith and blind faith are completely different things. Jesus repeatedly provided evidence for the claims he was making. The ultimate evidence being the empty tomb and his appearances after death. Christianity is an evidence based religion, a faith based religion, but not a blind faith based religion.

  11. Clearly Society has rejected the meaning of marriage. The divorce rate is 50%. That is a joke people commit themselves for lives in the commitment is so valuable that the chances of it lasting is basically a coin toss. Yes Society has rejected and substituted it to mean something of convenience.

  12. Deut. @ When two men are fighting and the wife of one of them intervenes to drag her husband clear of his opponent, if she puts out her hand and catches hold of the man by his privates, you must cut off her hand and show her no mercy.

    If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."(Leviticus @-30)

    "I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy @

    Genesis 19:8“ Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

    She lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. Ezekiel @ NIV

    Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus @

    Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus @

    When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20

    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers @-18

    You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus @-46 NLT

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

  13. ( Homosexualtiy ) Did someone ask if this was a sin ? Rom 1: 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

  14. Can you please teach how you accept teachings of Jesus like show the other cheeks, love your enemy, how you work to be perfect like Jesus, how to live a life as Jesus commanded, what to do in return for the blessings of Jesus, how to love Jesus as He expected etc; these are really missing from almost every Pastor's sermon and are in great need to stop the failing faith among the believers.

  15. Although I respect NT Wright as a historian (although I do not agree with him on several issues), I can not avoid being astonished by his, frankly, very poor and weak explanation. The argument "it has always been this way" is not enough. Slavery has been normal for centuries, now it isn´t. Women have been oppressed and abused for millennia, now they aren´t. And I could go on and on. We are finally recognizing homosexuality as a reality and we, as a society, are evolved enough to be able to respect their dignity, privacy and their right to be happy and to love whoever they choose. It is a clear manifestation of our maturity as a society, not a demonstration of degradation and wickedness. I know the Bible is clear on its contempt on homosexuality, but Paul was clear also on his argument that laws must be moral when applied. It is stupefyingly immoral to force someone to deny their nature and their right to create a home with their partners.

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