41 Comments on “Why A Gay, Black Civil Rights Hero Opposed Affirmative Action | NYT Opinion”
I honestly had never heard of these guys (Hughes and Rustin) before. Hat's off to Hughes for offering a fair take on such an fascinating figure. Hughes is a diamond in the rough when it comes to journalism it would seem
yes. As a white male i agree with all of this
Coleman Hughes is based!
Thank you NYT for allowing this.
Must read up on this man , Seem to be way forward thinking
I like his opinions on race, not so much his socialist economic opinions. He may deserve more attention, but I don't think he comes close to Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams when it comes to economics and politics, especially in terms of race.
White liberals Racism that's worse then racism
"Black people cant be racist" White liberals allow me to introduce you to the Hebrew Israelites or the followers of Elijah Muhammad
Love, Love this story. Seems that he was swept under the rug for the same reason that Malcolm X was killed. As soon as the conversation turns to class, it forbodes unification of the poor, and threatens the status quo. I wish that I had heard of him before, but I am grateful to have been introduced to him!
We are all equal, were just not damaged equally
Candace Owens. The biggest racists are white on the left. History repeats itself.
Race commentator = worthless job.
Appeals to centerism
Bayard Rustin was exposed as working with the government to undermine the Civil Rights movement as well. He was a sellout and a traitor to his people and the movement. I read the FBI declassified documents and he was a part of the COINTELPRO.
Affirmative action benefits white women the most. Same white women who mostly voted for trump . Go figure
Sounded like absolute truth of good
As a liberal who's been very frustrated by identity politics, this is a breath of fresh air. I'm very grateful to those who saw this video through to completion and I'll be looking into this man more in the coming months!
4chan’s wet dream, but good still
Somehow I think he'd hate Twitter
man, white liberal syndrome is pervasive af
This was a VERY well done segment. Credit where credit is due.
this man's ideas weren't that good. We need reparations because we are owed a VERY specific debt! acting like race doesn't exist is dangerous and inherently racist.
go to ados101.com and understand the real state of native blacks in this country…..ados101.com
Until white supremacy is eliminated there will always be race based issues, instead of human issues.
Did he oppose reparations for former slave masters, or just the former slaves.
He was against reparations. End of conversation.
He was very intelligent and very ignorant.
This man was absolutely prescient
Im grateful to live the the u.s.a.
Bayard Rustin was a pedophile, tell the whole story
This child is not old enough to be a "race commentator". He probably still has "skid marks" in his shorts..
He said he was "raised in the suburbs".
Rustin was speaking a 50s, 60s point of view.
He was before the Panthers, the War on Drugs, the Crack Epidemic, mass incarceration and the escalation of police violence.
What would Rustin say, today about our progress?
Coleman Hughes is really making an impact. We will see much more of him, I am sure.
Rustin was a true liberal intellectual, unlike the post-truth lunatics hiding in social science and humanities departments, as well as those who freely invoke race when convenient, even though they declare there to be no scientific basis for race.
this piece feels strange. Rustin had very socialist ideologies which align to mine but as he said, those position he took were not dependent on a racial perspective, to interpret what he said through a racial lens would distort his words and meaning. but that doesn't mean that he did not see the need to address racial issues in America and probably the rest of the world because of how integral he was to the civil rights movement. This piece seems to lean into the idea that just because Rustin did not align with racial identity politics, he therefore wasn't about black people and the issues of race that movements like BLM stand for. As if to suggest that the only thing 'black' about Rustin was his skin. Also, this piece does the same thing it accuses modern liberal movements of doing, interpreting Rustin through a convenient lens. Just as it would distort Rustins message to interpret it from a 'black vs white' position, it would equally distort his message to come at it from a "liberal vs conservative' position. His socialism was class based and his work was to generate a class consciousness in the working class, to use him to pitch for partisan positions would always miss his entire point.
Wow. Was never taught any this great leader. One of the most informative videos I've seen in a while. Thank you
He does not represent me a straight african….in america….
All throughout American history, WHITE males have benefited from Affirmative Action programs sponsored by the Federal government.
bayard rustin has been a sort of mentor of mine since i had an opportunity to see a documentary on his life…this was maybe 2 decades ago…i respect him for living his personal & social convictions…i respect him for his gret organizing skills…
my experiences, while some similar to bayard rustin, others are significantly different…
following, are my 7 pts…
1) my mechanic asked me if i wanted him to fix my car…i said, yes…
i asked him, what was wrong with it…? he said, the fuel-air ratio is not rght-there's way too much air…he said, he has to decrease the air in-take, in order for my car to run properly…
2) growing up, the kindergarten teacher would call some students to the board to do math problems… 1 day she had a small model "see-saw" balanced on her desk; using the same amount of small blocks at either end…the the middle she placed a marble that stayed in the middle…
she took some blocks off 1 seat & the marble rolled off from the "see -saw"…
she ask the class what has to be done so that they could place the marble back in the middle of "see-saw"…"the students exclaimed add the blocks back that u took away or take away the same amount from the other side…"
3) if a new phenomena is not workin & clearly the problem is imbalance & then to dismiss fixing the imbalance, by exclaiming an economical system has never been base on color, is grossly missing the point…
prior to this new phenomena of categorizing ppl by a race-based on the melanin content of their skin, it has never been done b-4; so how could anything be based on it… if a system, inherently requires balance or a specific ratio in order to work, then that balance or ratio is essential, no question asked…how balance or the proper ratio is restored, is up to the specific objectives or needs of the community…
4) bayard rustin suggestions are, in effect, still based on melanin content…if the decision makers, distributors, implementers are based on melanin content, there will still be a divide based on melanin content…
unless u change the melalnin based decision makers & making, the imbalance will always be there, based on melanin, gender, sexual orientation, age or class-whatever the phenotype or condition…
5) the issue is human nature…some ppl seem to think after almost 6000 yrs, finally mankind is going to get it rght…human beings just need the rght economical system…
all modern day economical systems work in theory; according to their proponents…not 1, however; has proven or shown the ability to curtail the fear of scarcity & thus greed of modern day mankind…
centralize governments exacerbates this tendency in human nature…
6) the non empire/non kingdom indigenous traditions hv had evidence of long standing sustainability, prosperity overall & with relatively minor physical violence…
the principle of, all is for the individual, for the sake of the community, in cooperation with all individuals, is essential…
in this, i am not a proponent of "raparations" or "affirmative action"; as they are generally discussed…the whole culture needs to be dismantled & start anew…
7) if we are honest with ourselves, we can look at the ancient & recent events & know without a doubt, we cannot overcome our human nature fear of scarcity, we cannot wisely consult ourselves to recognize our ignorance & we cannot humbly self reflect to abandoned our arrogance…
those who sample a little honesty with some humility, might realize that human success will take an otherthan human essence solution…that will take G.O.D./The Generating Omnipotent-scient-present Designer/Determiner & no less… terri a.
All Americans can succeed if they try but all should also play by the rules. Is affirmative action fair? If so, what about those other races? Shouldn't those who work hard and excel be rewarded? Pretty soon we're going to need affirmative action for white's who excel, play by the rules, have an excellent GPA but are denied their spot because of affirmative action. Wake up blacks, politicians use all of us for votes. They aren't looking out for the best, legal, fair, and moral things for anyone but themselves.
I honestly had never heard of these guys (Hughes and Rustin) before. Hat's off to Hughes for offering a fair take on such an fascinating figure. Hughes is a diamond in the rough when it comes to journalism it would seem
yes. As a white male i agree with all of this
Coleman Hughes is based!
Thank you NYT for allowing this.
Must read up on this man , Seem to be way forward thinking
I like his opinions on race, not so much his socialist economic opinions. He may deserve more attention, but I don't think he comes close to Thomas Sowell or Walter E. Williams when it comes to economics and politics, especially in terms of race.
White liberals
Racism that's worse then racism
"Black people cant be racist"
White liberals allow me to introduce you to the Hebrew Israelites or the followers of Elijah Muhammad
Love, Love this story. Seems that he was swept under the rug for the same reason that Malcolm X was killed.
As soon as the conversation turns to class, it forbodes unification of the poor, and threatens the status quo.
I wish that I had heard of him before, but I am grateful to have been introduced to him!
We are all equal, were just not damaged equally
Candace Owens. The biggest racists are white on the left. History repeats itself.
Race commentator = worthless job.
Appeals to centerism
Bayard Rustin was exposed as working with the government to undermine the Civil Rights movement as well. He was a sellout and a traitor to his people and the movement. I read the FBI declassified documents and he was a part of the COINTELPRO.
Affirmative action benefits white women the most. Same white women who mostly voted for trump . Go figure
Sounded like absolute truth of good
As a liberal who's been very frustrated by identity politics, this is a breath of fresh air. I'm very grateful to those who saw this video through to completion and I'll be looking into this man more in the coming months!
4chan’s wet dream, but good still
Somehow I think he'd hate Twitter
man, white liberal syndrome is pervasive af
This was a VERY well done segment.
Credit where credit is due.
this man's ideas weren't that good. We need reparations because we are owed a VERY specific debt! acting like race doesn't exist is dangerous and inherently racist.
go to ados101.com and understand the real state of native blacks in this country…..ados101.com
#ados #breakingbrown #tangibles2020 #ados101.com #lineagematters #Reparations2020
#ados #breakingbrown #tangibles2020 #ados101.com #lineagematters #Reparations2020
Until white supremacy is eliminated there will always be race based issues, instead of human issues.
Did he oppose reparations for former slave masters, or just the former slaves.
He was against reparations. End of conversation.
He was very intelligent and very ignorant.
This man was absolutely prescient
Im grateful to live the the u.s.a.
Bayard Rustin was a pedophile, tell the whole story
This child is not old enough to be a "race commentator". He probably still has "skid marks" in his shorts..
He said he was "raised in the suburbs".
Rustin was speaking a 50s, 60s point of view.
He was before the Panthers, the War on Drugs, the Crack Epidemic, mass incarceration and the escalation of police violence.
What would Rustin say, today about our progress?
Coleman Hughes is really making an impact. We will see much more of him, I am sure.
Rustin was a true liberal intellectual, unlike the post-truth lunatics hiding in social science and humanities departments, as well as those who freely invoke race when convenient, even though they declare there to be no scientific basis for race.
this piece feels strange. Rustin had very socialist ideologies which align to mine but as he said, those position he took were not dependent on a racial perspective, to interpret what he said through a racial lens would distort his words and meaning. but that doesn't mean that he did not see the need to address racial issues in America and probably the rest of the world because of how integral he was to the civil rights movement.
This piece seems to lean into the idea that just because Rustin did not align with racial identity politics, he therefore wasn't about black people and the issues of race that movements like BLM stand for. As if to suggest that the only thing 'black' about Rustin was his skin.
Also, this piece does the same thing it accuses modern liberal movements of doing, interpreting Rustin through a convenient lens. Just as it would distort Rustins message to interpret it from a 'black vs white' position, it would equally distort his message to come at it from a "liberal vs conservative' position. His socialism was class based and his work was to generate a class consciousness in the working class, to use him to pitch for partisan positions would always miss his entire point.
Wow. Was never taught any this great leader. One of the most informative videos I've seen in a while. Thank you
He does not represent me a straight african….in america….
All throughout American history, WHITE males have benefited from Affirmative Action programs sponsored by the Federal government.
bayard rustin has been a sort of mentor of mine since i had an opportunity to see a documentary on his life…this was maybe 2 decades ago…i respect him for living his personal & social convictions…i respect him for his gret organizing skills…
my experiences, while some similar to bayard rustin, others are significantly different…
following, are my 7 pts…
1) my mechanic asked me if i wanted him to fix my car…i said, yes…
i asked him, what was wrong with it…?
he said, the fuel-air ratio is not rght-there's way too much air…he said, he has to decrease the air in-take, in order for my car to run properly…
2) growing up, the kindergarten teacher would call some students to the board to do math problems…
1 day she had a small model "see-saw" balanced on her desk; using the same amount of small blocks at either end…the the middle she placed a marble that stayed in the middle…
she took some blocks off 1 seat & the marble rolled off from the "see -saw"…
she ask the class what has to be done so that they could place the marble back in the middle of "see-saw"…"the students exclaimed add the blocks back that u took away or take away the same amount from the other side…"
3) if a new phenomena is not workin & clearly the problem is imbalance & then to dismiss fixing the imbalance, by exclaiming an economical system has never been base on color, is grossly missing the point…
prior to this new phenomena of categorizing ppl by a race-based on the melanin content of their skin, it has never been done b-4; so how could anything be based on it…
if a system, inherently requires balance or a specific ratio in order to work, then that balance or ratio is essential, no question asked…how balance or the proper ratio is restored, is up to the specific objectives or needs of the community…
4) bayard rustin suggestions are, in effect, still based on melanin content…if the decision makers, distributors, implementers are based on melanin content, there will still be a divide based on melanin content…
unless u change the melalnin based decision makers & making, the imbalance will always be there, based on melanin, gender, sexual orientation, age or class-whatever the phenotype or condition…
5) the issue is human nature…some ppl seem to think after almost 6000 yrs, finally mankind is going to get it rght…human beings just need the rght economical system…
all modern day economical systems work in theory; according to their proponents…not 1, however; has proven or shown the ability to curtail the fear of scarcity & thus greed of modern day mankind…
centralize governments exacerbates this tendency in human nature…
6) the non empire/non kingdom indigenous traditions hv had evidence of long standing sustainability, prosperity overall & with relatively minor physical violence…
the principle of, all is for the individual, for the sake of the community, in cooperation with all individuals, is essential…
in this, i am not a proponent of "raparations"
or "affirmative action"; as they are generally discussed…the whole culture needs to be dismantled & start anew…
7) if we are honest with ourselves, we can look at the ancient & recent events & know without a doubt, we cannot overcome our human nature fear of scarcity, we cannot wisely consult ourselves to recognize our ignorance & we cannot humbly self reflect to abandoned our arrogance…
those who sample a little honesty with some humility, might realize that human success will take an otherthan human essence solution…that will take G.O.D./The Generating Omnipotent-scient-present Designer/Determiner & no less…
terri a.
All Americans can succeed if they try but all should also play by the rules. Is affirmative action fair? If so, what about those other races? Shouldn't those who work hard and excel be rewarded? Pretty soon we're going to need affirmative action for white's who excel, play by the rules, have an excellent GPA but are denied their spot because of affirmative action. Wake up blacks, politicians use all of us for votes. They aren't looking out for the best, legal, fair, and moral things for anyone but themselves.
Wait so he was the original alllivesmatter? Yikes