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36 Comments on “Why do Bakeries Have to Sell Gay Wedding Cakes?”

  1. Matt, the greater bad here is government compelled behavior in the obvious instance of same sex marriage. (The major religions all have teachings against homosexual behavior.) We are after all Americans who have "inalienable rights."

    You need to address the larger issue of government intervention, which in this case is tyrannical.

  2. For me, a business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. If they don't want to make a cake for my wedding, fine there are other places to go. They are losing out on an entire market demographic of cash flow they could be making. However if they state outright that it's against their religion and start spouting off at the mouth about how I'm going to hell, then yes, I'll take action. But not spouting off, I would ask if there is another associate who would be able to take and process my order. Keeping calm is key to me.

  3. baker must bake this gay cake ,( gay is born this way ) , oppositely , this gay couple can refuse to make a cake or any service to this baker because he discriminated people ( discrimination is a choice) : in short being a gay is biology science , discrimination is social sciences .

  4. How come some other non Christian religious bakeries don’t get the justice treatment when they refuse to bake gay wedding cakes? No religion should be discriminate. I just want it to be totally fair.

  8. Someone I know posted on facebook a pic that read "if bakerys have to make a gay wedding cake than a Muslim deli has to make me a blt"
    And I told him that one is on basis of ability if your are able to do something (male a gay wedding cake), both in terms of having a bakery and in terms of having the time or people power, than you would have to because you can't discriminate on the basis of (insert sexuality here) while the latter is they are in able to make a belt because they don't have bacon and would be physically unable to make a belt. He than said that he could just bring in some bacon, and I responded that most resterauntd will not cook food that the guest brings in.

  10. none of you guys even know the true story. the baker did not refuse to bake a cake for them, he refused to add a gay wedding cake topper. also, the gay couple did not randomly approach the bakery. they had been planning to go there and purposely annoy the Christian baker.

  12. It’s actually illegal for a bank or business to DENY hiring or lending a loan. So if you can PROVE that’s actually happening then you have a law suit on your hands

  14. I believe that small businesses have every right to serve or deny customers as they see fit. I also believe companies that have no moral restrictions like Walmart can take that business away from them. That's capitalism.

  15. You should be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

    Or do you think that just because somebody wants something a company should be compelled to provide that thing no matter what?

    Say the law is changed. It only helps people who can provide evidence of discrimination. But a business doesn't have to justify declining service to people so its pretty stupid.

    Also, why the fuck would you want someone who doesn't like you selling you goods or providing you a service? You're just keeping them in business and I find it absurd that you would want to force people to work for you. That's a really great thing to do to people who hate you /s

  16. Matt, could you cover the violence that Transpeople are doing to lesbians recently? There's been a growing number of them and as a young lesbian I've been very afraid of how things are turning out. I've read some of the LGBT history and I never saw LGBT folks being this violent before. Plus a lot of transwomen are calling lesbians transphobes just because we wouldn't date them. That's not right or fair at all.

  17. The ridiculous thing about this cake issue is the fact that it comes down to how the cake is decorated. In other words, what makes a cake a "wedding" cake? Is it the fact that it's decorated with two figurines of people in wedding dress, or is it that the cake is going to be served at a wedding ceremony? It's absurd that anyone would refuse to provide this service. Would the baker make a "birthday" cake for a gay couple who then secretly serve the cake at their wedding? Could the baker sue the couple if they found out?

  18. Idk how I feel about it, but I'd like to ask a few questions
    +How would the issue vary if polygamous marriage was legal?
    +Let's take a less extreme political statement: given that ideology is heavily correlated with functionally immutable personality traits, should a bakery be allowed to refuse a cake which said "No to PropX"?
    +Is there any evidence that LGBT people are disproportionately discriminated against in housing, employment, etc?

  19. while im not against gay marrige i dont think others should be forced to participate.
    lets take for example muslims, they dont eat pork, so forcing one to eat pork is discrimination.
    well if i remember rightly theyre religion also prohibits being gay.
    so if they refuse to serve gays the question is if its on the grounds of religion or being gay.
    in the case mentioned above they said they would be willing to sell them any other cake
    this is becuase it has nothing to do with them being gay simply becuase they wanted a cake
    but they refused the wedding to due to wanting too not directly talk part in a gay marrige witch their religion prohibits.
    TL;DR refusing to serve a marrige due to religion is fine and good, but refusing to serve them for no reason other than fuck you isnt
    however in the end the law does not reflect this due to your private vs public buisness area you mentioned
    im expecting a flame war so keep it civilized ok

  21. Wow, I can't believe Prager U is putting their fucking "intolerant left" videos on your content. Fuck the hell off. Sure, the right is universally tolerant, the people who are causing the problem this whole video is about. Fuck them.

  22. There is an important distinction to make however between a baker refusing to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple and a baker refusing to sell an explicitly gay wedding cake. If refuses to serve someone based on their sexuality, then there is a need for the authorities to intervene. If however a baker is willing to sell a cake to a gay couple but simply doesn't want to make a cake specifically for a gay wedding, then this is the baker's personal choice and however intolerant it is, it isn't right to force him to her to make the cake.

  23. I argued this point to my dad (public businesses cannot discriminate). My dad argued that if I was asked to design something (since I freelance) around a Nazi symbol, I can't refuse, so thank you for pointing out the difference!

  24. A baker should not be forced to bake a gay wedding cake if they are uncomfortable doing so, nor should it be something that should be brought to court. Due to capitalism people will buy what they like and what is right. If I was refused a gay wedding cake I would move on with life and find a different bakery; however if I choose I can alert the pubic and that business will decline in the gay activist community. I would prefer not make the business suffer, but that is an option. They shouldn't be forced to. You also say that this loop hole will affect things other than bakeries, which is true, but as long as gays go vegan on us and tell everyone they are gay they will not be refused service unless it is gay related. That is why they deserve the right to not serve a gay wedding cake.

  25. I agree that no one should be able to deny a cake(or other service) based on sexual preference, race, religion. However, I do think a businessman can provide service based on his religion. A Christian bookstore or a Muslim bakery for example can refuse to carry certain books and refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple. Because they are basing their service on their advertised religious principles. If a baker refuses to bake a "gay wedding cake" because he is Christian, he must advertise that he adheres to Christian principles. The reason they don't want to do this is because they want gay folks to keep buying their cookies and bread. I am 100% in favor of these "cake deniers" going full Christian, Muslim, whatever so we can watch their business dwindle away.

  26. I'm a bleeding heart liber in favor of gay rights, but I think the SCOTUS got this right. The baker unquestionably should not be allowed to deny selling a pre-made wedding cake to the couple, but he should not be forced to create a cake that violates his conscience. Example: It would be wrong for a Muslim butcher to object to selling meat(available to the public) to a christian, but it would be equally untenable for the Christian to demand he butcher and sell them pork.

  27. I always enjoy the interesting and intelligent conversations that you bring forward to the table. I don't get to hear these issues as common talk in my circles. So it is wonderful to be able to pull up your videos on YouTube and really grab a better overall understanding of why certain issues matter in the bigger scheme of things. Keep up the good work! ? ? ? #lgbtq #gayrights #loveislove

  28. I'm shitty at arguing,

    I need a counter for the "Well if gays can force bakeries to sell them wedding cakes, I can force a Muslim Butcher to sell me pork" argument my friend's husband likes to throw around (note he doesn't say Jewish, just Muslim)

  29. Why would a gay couple want someone to bake their wedding cake that doesn't approve of their relationship?

    I have never understood that. If a baker didn't want to bake my me and my wife's cake because they didn't like how we choose to live, then I wouldn't want them to have my money

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    I repersent the "vocal minority" thise who comment on videos

    But this one is Nutral.

    My loves – I hate to say my issue is Who would want a bakery that doesnt want the job.

    I understand its discrimination and I for one would be storming the castle myself if they would not serve me a milkshake somewhere I totally get that part of it we must defend rights of all peoples

    On the other hand my gut intuition is that everyone should boycott those shit I mean think about it this way if we allow discrimination but we also were allowed to publicize it and people were able to boycott

    I would love it if there was a active list we could reference of our these businesses doing the right thing on a business level I mean if an individual cashier is shity that's a problem but I mean if the core values of the company are affecting people in a negative way that's on the company so if you are Christian values let's a conflict with race somehow then you're just a shity business and we need to shut it down

    If there's an app for that let me know I'm in

  32. Good video but you were incorrect about the Colorado bakers. They did offer so sell another Wedding cake to the couple they just wouldn't make an art wedding cake from scratch.

  33. I hope all bakers who refuse such requests fall into a vat of rainbow icing (sorry frosting, I’m British). There is poetic justice in a homophobic baker choking on a fairy cake. I’m a life affirming Lady and a twisted bitch and I don’t care!

  34. Four years later and I just recently had the same discussion. You can say you won't put a specific decoration on a cake because it is offensive (like a slur or the confederate flag for some) but you can't say you will not sell a certain person a cake that you would make for someone else if the situation was different.

  35. I do believe a business owner can decide who they serve. However, that is just bad business. The point of going into business is to offer services to the public. I can understand if someone won't make a cake for a seal clubbing party, but for a wedding? That goes a bit too far. It's just a cake.

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