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Support for redefining marriage continues to loose grounds. My prayer is
that the bill is defeated in Parliament.
But I do want them to have the ‘same social status’ thus I am a proponent
of Civil Partnerships (UK statut law exists today) – but Marriage is
Man+Woman not Man+Man or Woman+Woman; create a new word or something, but
it’s a bit like saying that because I am a Man that it is unfair to Women,
so we must all be called the same thing to stop ‘dicrimination’. In the UK
Civil Partnerships specifically give Homosexual couples the full rights of
Marriage (the name we give to a Heterosexual partnership)
Fuck. right. off. I don’t care about your dogma, your Christ, or your god.
I care about equal rights for all human beings. You want to wear a cross at
work, breaching an employers jewelry regulations, yet claim religious
discrimination when told not to? Yet you do not believe it is unjust to
deny gay marriage?Whatever,you have no right to impose religious belief on
our legal system, just how you have no right to have a say in the gay
marriage debate from a religious viewpoint. End of story.
If your don’t like homosexuals getting marriage then don’t marry a
homosexual – if your offended by two homosexuals making a life time
commitment to care for and love each other don’t go to their marriage – my
friend you cant expect people like us to disadvantage our family because it
does not tick all your boxes
I totally agree therefore that the Civil partnership needs to be changed to
enable equality for teh items you list. However, your point about visiting
other countries is teh same for all of us – for example I live in France,
but my marriage is considered as having certain rights over property due to
assets owned prior to being married – very different from the UK
interpretation that everything is shared. You are not going to get equality
in other countries based on your homeland’s laws……
You know there 55,000 kids currently languishing in orphanages in UK and
not enough st8 families stepping up to home them – most are children that
have been abandoned and abused by the mythical one woman one man family
your ranting about – we welcome marriage equality maybe its destinies
solution for proving loving homes for forgotten children
You telling me my opinion is absurd? That’s a little bigoted of you, isn’t
it?
Bless you, Trev S. My intention is not to debate with you, especially as I
have friends I care about who are also gay. But I will definitely stand up
for what I firmly believe is best for a healthy society, and my opinions
are based on the facts of Biology.
In life you have to play with the cards you are dealt – if your gay your
gay -and a sizable minority are (est 4.4 million in UK ) – why would you
want to less for them that you want for your self ? A life time commitments
to care for and love another is good for society regardless of their
capacity to procreate – You say your not attacking people but you are by
trying to restrict their integrity as a family unit
Ignorant frightened religious fools scared of progressing the human race,
that is all.
You could not be further from the truth. This is very outdated view of,
what the latest ComRes poll says is, the second biggest party in the UK
(Thats right , 23%). UKIP is a non-sectarian , libertarian party and the
only party in the UK who do not allow members of any far right organisation
to become members, including the BNP and the National Front. I put it to
you that you are the bigot who is fixated and intolerantly devoted to your
own opinions and prejudices
This has the potential to split the Conservative Party and as we continue
to lobby for real marriage, it is our hope that the PM will draw back from
the brink !
Says the closeted and disgraced Liam Fox, on advice of his gay lover Adam
Werrity. This hypocritical closeted moron opposed David Cameron. As a gay
man, that’s enough to make me support the Prime Minister.
Oh okay; it’s just what is in the newspapers regularly that’s all. You know
better of course.
Astonishingly selfish your fussing over property rights but when you travel
at least your still married – A gay civil partner becomes a concubine and
their children bastards
I think it might be helpful if you researched the benefits of marriage
equality – one of the states that allow same sex marriage in US has
reported a significant reduction in health care and psychological well
being of people who identify as gay – with the bonus of saving millions to
the tax payer – if you value your gay friends why have less aspirations for
their relationships – it does not make any sense
My comments, Mr Mark Ross, of which you say are absurd and asinine, are
based on the FACTS of Biology. Therefore, it stands to reason that you must
think science is stupid and foolish, too. Interesting.
It was severely punished: “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one
does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to
be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. (Leviticus 20:13
NIV)
Alan you just spoke my mind our loud. Thank you.
What’s wrong with polygamy? As long as all parties are mature, legal adults
and fully consent what should it matter to you?
It isnt about hindering an individuals personal dreams.Its about whats
healthy and beneficial for society.Because a homosexual/lesbian couple
cannot physically produce their own children.P.s.This so-called ‘fair
society’ you refer to seems to have no tolerance whatsoever for citizens
who disagree with homosexuality/alternative lifestyles. Indeed, it sees no
problem in ridiculing anyone who isn’t equally ‘liberally
minded/enlightened’.Again I make no attack on yourself but on modern day
thinking.
It boggle the mind the logic you used to justify your discrimination – gay
people don’t have gay passports or gay driving licences why should they
have suedo gay marriage licences – they can be husband & husband or wife &
wife or neither – wake up to the world around you – most people already
call civil partnerships couples married – there’s only one reason to to
have two names for the same reason so one can be placed above the other and
I think we both know which that is.
Lack of bio. education & mass fear doesn’t justify.
Not only that but in order to redefine marriage they redefine the basis of
a family, which automatically redefines what a family is, no longer a
natural self-contained unit but rather a manufactured arrangement for the
satisfaction of the “parents”. Human rights legislation will probably be
abused to force authorities to provide children on demand which with
falling birth rates will lead to more abductions to meet demand. No one
will benefit and anyone could become a victim of pretend marriage.
“Not intolerant fools”? You mean you don’t challenge our beliefs (I’m a
Catholic) and try to stop us showing them? That (your reply) wouldn’t
progress the human race, and I don’t mean because of the scripture comment
(which I think shows that you ARE intolerant). In my opinion, every
tolerating each others’ beliefs is what would progress the human race. We
try to share our beliefs because that’s what we believe we should do. It
doesn’t mean we’re intolerant of other faiths.
Would you post stuff about incestuous sex like this to a young straight
couple who were hoping to get married soon ? – it’s just boggling that you
don’t see how inappropriate your post is !
Search Google for Grandparents of children given to gay couple for adoption
are denied access for three years This is one example of how social
services use excuses to remove children from good families to meet the
demands of gays
I would be interested to know whether you share the opinions of Mark Ross
on here, that all sex between consenting adults, including incestuous sex,
is nobody’s business but theirs? Consenting incestuous sex between adults
is no longer prosecuted in the Netherlands. Perhaps brothers should be
allowed to marry their sisters, or fathers their daughters, or mothers
their sons? Incest was only outlawed in the UK in 1908, so it could easily
be decriminalised again. Equality for incest?
The point is, you’re allowed to tell people they shouldnt get married, hell
thats part of your idiotic scripture, BUT you can’t try to dictate laws and
disallow people from living their lives how they want because your chosen
invisible wizard in the sky supposedly says it’s sinful…. In text that’s
over a thousand years old… that is basically Chinese whispers considering
it’s been rewritten countless times.
I am not discriminating against any group – just stating a natural
difference between a natural biological couple that has the ability to
procreate being differentiated from a same sex couple. the fact is that
homosexuality is not the same as heterosexuality – so why pretend
otherwise? Are you proposing to get rid of that differentiation too? I am
anti-homophbia, but anti same sex marriage – if you don’t understand my
view you’ll just have to boggle more!
I can’t get it. Why would people, who obviously are not Jesus’ followers,
would insist in entering his house. Gay people are citizens and as such
have the right to legalize their union at a registrar office. What is there
to add?
WHY DO YOU CARE? Let people do what they want! It doesn’t affect you!
Because people are scared of an invisible man in the sky who supposedly
promises eternal damnation if you disobey him
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave
traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the
sound doctrine (1 Timothy 1:10 NIV)
I have a strong concern that paedophilia will then be permitted, because if
it is wrong to stop gays “marrying” because of their sexual preference,
then lawyers will argue that it is wrong to stop paedophiles, or women who
want to marry more than one man – let alone your point re polygamy. Then,
it might become a crime to criticise or insult a person who has sexual
relations with an animal. We cannot hide our heads in the sand about this.
The debate has been going on for a long time. No one is able to demonstrate
that marriage for gays is any different than for heterosexuals, and for
that very simple reason your personal views about gays will make no
difference. It is just like someone complaining about interracial marriages.
So how the following can be misinterpreted? : “‘Do not have sexual
relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
(Leviticus 18:22 NIV)