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I hate the aging demographics argument!!!!
Guess why.
Excellent points! Future generations will look back at the whole anti-gay
thing like how we look back at the slavery that existed in this country.
I always feel hope when bigots get scared and desperate but unfortunately
this is when they are then at their most dangerous, somewhat like a wounded
animal, they lash out physically in frustration and desperation but
ultimately, if you wound them further, they seek the quiet and dark to
slowly die an uncomfortable death.
Am i the only one who’s beginning to roll their eyes over the gay marriage
debate being so pervasive in all media? I support it but geez it feels like
people think its the most important issue on planet earth, and everyone
against it is apparently Hitler x 10
*Such thing as **”gay rights”** is absurd.* Gay people are humans beings,
and just for that much they are entitled to their human rights. Banning or
simply not allowing from the beginning to some specific adult population
not being able to get married is wrong in first place.
To *legalize* *”gay marriage”* is not different from admitting a
preexistence deep degree of segregation. A marriage #apartheid .
No matter how many times they try to explain it too me I just can never
understand why people have an issue with gay marriage. It’s such a non
issue as far as I can see that those opposing it should feel ashamed for
the times and money they are wasting fighting it when there are real issues
to be dealing with.
If increased liberalization is a function of time and reproductive
generations, it makes you wonder what’s going to be the issue of the day,
say, two or three generations from now. Maybe it will be fair and
reasonable treatment of those undergoing devastating mental health issues.
We might finally understand what ails them, gain some compassion as a
society, and stop laughing at their living conditions and yelling at them
to get jobs.
You are oppressing conservatives by legalizing gay marriage.
Best solution: Government helps the gay couples move to the state that
already has legalized gay marriage.
They are getting really desperate, and I don’t see any laws promoting
discrimination will be ruled constitutional.
Meanwhile in uganda…
I disagree, gay rights won’t win because of a each generation being more
“liberal”. It will happen because of struggles for gay equality. Like the
civil rights movement and women’s rights movement. Each victory is a
redoubt in a war for equality, constantly under siege and constantly
besieging the systems that create oppression.
Gays are humans. They have human rights, not gay rights. You don’t get
special rights because you are gay. You have human rights because you are
human.
I still don’t get why this is an issue. Why do people care if gays get
married. I’m against gay marriage in much the same way I’m against
marriage. What we need is a formal way of expressing commitment. Marriage
hasn’t been it for a long time now.
Arizona just passed a pro-religious discrimination bill (SB1062). The
closer we get to enlightenment the harder the conservatives fight against
it.
Actually, I think the 39% of people 65+ being in favour of Gay Marriage is
a pretty good sign that shows even older generations can be accepting of
new ideas.
Suck it, homophobes! *both literally and figuratively*
I’ve said it before and I will say it again: This is why I support big
government (despite its issues that need fixing). Where the states fail to
secure the societal rights of people, the federal government will swoop in
and say “Sit down and shut the fuck up, . We say
gay-marriage is okay, so deal with it.”
Personally, I think the STATE should be banned from issuing *any* form of
official sanction or prohibition of private social associations of *any*kind.
If you and a friend of yours want a relationship that’s been granted some
special form of social recognition, then create your own ritual, and make
the case to your family, friends, and colleagues, that they should
participate in your ritual.
By involving the state, all you’re really doing is holding a gun to
everyone’s head, and demanding that they grant you that special social
recognition, whether they want to or not. That’s fucking evil.
This goes for homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, whatever. I don’t much
care about what orientation anyone is, or what form of companionship they
prefer, and neither should anyone else be forced to care.
Virginia just overturned the ban on gay marriage a week or two ago. :)
It turns out that people don’t get more conservative as a pure function of
getting older. A college education will generally make conservatives more
liberal, and whilst they will generally become more conservative over time,
they are unlikely to be as conservative as they were before attending
college. The single biggest factor for increased conservatism as one gets
older is the fact of having kids.
I was actually pretty distraught when I found out that the vote in Maine
for Gay marriage was 48-52 (%)
Well then again Western and Northern Maine are filled with poor rednecks,
Southern and Eastern Maine are the best places to live there, I’m
unfortunate enough to live in Western Maine.
Ahh, gay rights. The problem with the argument for gay rights is not gay
people being involved, but the notion of rights. The gay rights activist
(and any other rights activist) must demonstrate that rights exist in some
real way and have substance if they have the goal of avoiding arguing over
specific group labels of people wanting mere privileges. At that point it
becomes an issue of ought not rights and the issue of ought is similarly
problematic.
Meanwhile in Finland, the Parliament is discussing same-sex marriage as put
forth by the people, and some end up talking about how unfair and scary it
is that gay people get to use the locker rooms of their sex (not even
gender) at public swimming pools. Yeah, ’cause that has everything to do
with marriage…
I love the fact that when christianity salesmen come to my door telling me
homosexuality is an abomination, I can now tell them that they’ve already
lost the culture war in America, and that if they want to enjoy their
bigotry for a few more years they can move to hellholes like Russia and
Uganda and see how much they like living in a place like that if that’s
really what they care about.
What scares me the most (even though the bill was over turned) was that
Kansas actually passed a bill that DISCRIMINATED against gay couples …
have we not learned ANYTHING from our history?!?
LAST CHANCE to stop the law formerly known as the “Kill the Gays” bill in
Uganda. If it becomes law, all lesbian, gay, bi and trans people could be
sent to jail for life!
I hate the aging demographics argument!!!!
Guess why.
Excellent points! Future generations will look back at the whole anti-gay
thing like how we look back at the slavery that existed in this country.
I always feel hope when bigots get scared and desperate but unfortunately
this is when they are then at their most dangerous, somewhat like a wounded
animal, they lash out physically in frustration and desperation but
ultimately, if you wound them further, they seek the quiet and dark to
slowly die an uncomfortable death.
Am i the only one who’s beginning to roll their eyes over the gay marriage
debate being so pervasive in all media? I support it but geez it feels like
people think its the most important issue on planet earth, and everyone
against it is apparently Hitler x 10
*Such thing as **”gay rights”** is absurd.* Gay people are humans beings,
and just for that much they are entitled to their human rights. Banning or
simply not allowing from the beginning to some specific adult population
not being able to get married is wrong in first place.
To *legalize* *”gay marriage”* is not different from admitting a
preexistence deep degree of segregation. A marriage #apartheid .
No matter how many times they try to explain it too me I just can never
understand why people have an issue with gay marriage. It’s such a non
issue as far as I can see that those opposing it should feel ashamed for
the times and money they are wasting fighting it when there are real issues
to be dealing with.
If increased liberalization is a function of time and reproductive
generations, it makes you wonder what’s going to be the issue of the day,
say, two or three generations from now. Maybe it will be fair and
reasonable treatment of those undergoing devastating mental health issues.
We might finally understand what ails them, gain some compassion as a
society, and stop laughing at their living conditions and yelling at them
to get jobs.
You are oppressing conservatives by legalizing gay marriage.
Best solution: Government helps the gay couples move to the state that
already has legalized gay marriage.
They are getting really desperate, and I don’t see any laws promoting
discrimination will be ruled constitutional.
Meanwhile in uganda…
I disagree, gay rights won’t win because of a each generation being more
“liberal”. It will happen because of struggles for gay equality. Like the
civil rights movement and women’s rights movement. Each victory is a
redoubt in a war for equality, constantly under siege and constantly
besieging the systems that create oppression.
Gays are humans. They have human rights, not gay rights. You don’t get
special rights because you are gay. You have human rights because you are
human.
I still don’t get why this is an issue. Why do people care if gays get
married. I’m against gay marriage in much the same way I’m against
marriage. What we need is a formal way of expressing commitment. Marriage
hasn’t been it for a long time now.
Arizona just passed a pro-religious discrimination bill (SB1062). The
closer we get to enlightenment the harder the conservatives fight against
it.
Actually, I think the 39% of people 65+ being in favour of Gay Marriage is
a pretty good sign that shows even older generations can be accepting of
new ideas.
Suck it, homophobes! *both literally and figuratively*
I’ve said it before and I will say it again: This is why I support big. We say
government (despite its issues that need fixing). Where the states fail to
secure the societal rights of people, the federal government will swoop in
and say “Sit down and shut the fuck up,
gay-marriage is okay, so deal with it.”
Personally, I think the STATE should be banned from issuing *any* form of
official sanction or prohibition of private social associations of *any*kind.
If you and a friend of yours want a relationship that’s been granted some
special form of social recognition, then create your own ritual, and make
the case to your family, friends, and colleagues, that they should
participate in your ritual.
By involving the state, all you’re really doing is holding a gun to
everyone’s head, and demanding that they grant you that special social
recognition, whether they want to or not. That’s fucking evil.
This goes for homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, whatever. I don’t much
care about what orientation anyone is, or what form of companionship they
prefer, and neither should anyone else be forced to care.
Virginia just overturned the ban on gay marriage a week or two ago. :)
It turns out that people don’t get more conservative as a pure function of
getting older. A college education will generally make conservatives more
liberal, and whilst they will generally become more conservative over time,
they are unlikely to be as conservative as they were before attending
college. The single biggest factor for increased conservatism as one gets
older is the fact of having kids.
All that and more, here: https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Cheers :3
I was actually pretty distraught when I found out that the vote in Maine
for Gay marriage was 48-52 (%)
Well then again Western and Northern Maine are filled with poor rednecks,
Southern and Eastern Maine are the best places to live there, I’m
unfortunate enough to live in Western Maine.
Ahh, gay rights. The problem with the argument for gay rights is not gay
people being involved, but the notion of rights. The gay rights activist
(and any other rights activist) must demonstrate that rights exist in some
real way and have substance if they have the goal of avoiding arguing over
specific group labels of people wanting mere privileges. At that point it
becomes an issue of ought not rights and the issue of ought is similarly
problematic.
Meanwhile in Finland, the Parliament is discussing same-sex marriage as put
forth by the people, and some end up talking about how unfair and scary it
is that gay people get to use the locker rooms of their sex (not even
gender) at public swimming pools. Yeah, ’cause that has everything to do
with marriage…
I love the fact that when christianity salesmen come to my door telling me
homosexuality is an abomination, I can now tell them that they’ve already
lost the culture war in America, and that if they want to enjoy their
bigotry for a few more years they can move to hellholes like Russia and
Uganda and see how much they like living in a place like that if that’s
really what they care about.
What scares me the most (even though the bill was over turned) was that
Kansas actually passed a bill that DISCRIMINATED against gay couples …
have we not learned ANYTHING from our history?!?
LAST CHANCE to stop the law formerly known as the “Kill the Gays” bill in
Uganda. If it becomes law, all lesbian, gay, bi and trans people could be
sent to jail for life!
https://www.allout.org/en/actions/kill-the-bill-taf