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Post adoption agreements are between the Russian government and individual
U.S. citizens. They cannot be enforced by the American government. Our
government has no such authority. You are used to living in a dictatorship,
so that explains why you don’t understand what I”m saying. OUR government
has legal limits.
Well then they will stay banned. We are not going to amend our Constitution
for you.
And that, of course, is a big difference between you and I. You keep
telling me what happens in America, and what happens in Russia. But unlike
you, I have been to both countries and seen for myself. You speak in
ignorance. I do not.
You an call them “dual citizens” if you wish, but under American law they
are AMERICANS. Period. We are not subject to Russian law. Go adopt some
kids. Please. You act like you are SO concerned about them, yet you do
nothing for them. I did. I spent every penny I had, and ruined my financial
future, to help two Russian kids who were no relation to me. What is your
excuse?
They are not “Russian” anymore. They are Americans. Ask them. No one seems
interested in the opinions of adults who were adopted from Russia as
children. They are able to speak for themselves. My oldest daughter was 13
when the adoption happened, so she had to go before the Russian judge and
give her PERMISSION to be adopted by Americans. The judge asked her. She
had every right to refuse. She said, “Yes.” Who are you to decide for her?
Russians need to be responsible for their own children, especially in their
birth more; especially in one’s reproductive activities. Children are the
responsibility of mother and or father and if not, their extended families,
the state should help if needed. but Russia should get out of the
capitalist practice of making orphans a business and exploit them; the
state needs to help in that too. God help us all in rearing the love that
two make; the gift from God, the love born to us Amen.
Denied access to Russian help do to political anti-Russian sentiments’.
other wise why deny help to him from Russia that he is citizen with, and in
need of.
He is a Russian citizen too. and if USA will not respect a Russian citizen
right to be protected by Russia when US is not safeguarding them , then
Russia can not trust US with her children ;and so that is why for the
Russian law of Dima Yakovlev. But you can meddle in that , right. vilifying
Russian ban of sending Russian children to the USA for adoptions.. for
after ranting about US law at its right to it.
Are you aware that if a Russian marries an American, and they have a baby
together in America, and the Russian takes the child to Russia, that
Russian law would consider that child to be Russian ONLY? There are several
cases of American children being held that way in Russia as we speak.
Russia does not recognize “dual citizenship.” And in fact Russia is in
violation of the provisions of the Hague Conventions, to which it is a
signatory.
You are an idiot. The Russians asked to see the child. His American legal
guardians said “no.” That was the end of the discussion. American
authorities could not force the guardians to comply. The State Department
did exactly what they said they would do: They REQUESTED that the meeting
take place. The answer was “no.” What do you want the American government
to do? Tell me.
When you demand that our government REQUIRE the visit then you are
demanding that our government do something that is beyond its legal
authority. So yes, you ARE requesting that we “amend our law.” You are
asking our government to BREAK our law. It will not do so.
Having been through this process I know what is required and what is not.
Once American parents leave with their children the Russian government has
no further legal rights. They know this. This whole issue is about
politics. It has nothing to do with “Maxim” or “adoption.” The Russians
ASKED if they could visit the child. They were informed that the American
judge had no legal authority to order the visit, and that any visit would
require the parents permission. That is what happened.
And why would it have been in his best interests to say “Yes” to a Russian
consular visit? The Russian consulate would have no authority to actually
do anything. They could not take him back to Russia, for example. While he
is in America he is subject to American law. If his parents lose custody
then he will be adopted by another American family. Russia is not in the
picture at all.
He lost his Russian citizenship, in terms of Russia’s jurisdiction over him
within the United States. Should he ever visit Russia I suppose you COULD
exercise your imagined sovereignty over him….but even the Russian courts
would disagree with you. I have my daughter’s birth certificate, in
Russian, signed by a Russian court and endorsed by the Russian foreign
ministry and a long list of other Russian authorities. MY name is on it, as
the father. Adoption is REAL, not a game.
I really don’t care if Putin was “humiliated.” His motorcade almost ran
over me in the Kremlin. I had to jump out of the way. He is the Russian
President. Even the AMERICAN President cannot force Maxim’s parents to
allow a visit. Certainly the Russian President cannot. Your government
knows all this. They knew it all along. Maxim is not the issue. You are
being propagandized by Putin.
why is it a bad thing to have Russia have access to children of Russian
origin that may be in danger and are not geting help in the USA? That is
the question’ not your adoption . no one is taking your children from you
unless you are to abusing them. If Russia can not safe guard its children
that are given in trust to someone in the US; then the US can not be
trusted with them ; thats that! .
The US State Department would not have agreed to the arrangement with
Russia if it is as you think. Your are so absurd in your thinking. The
Russian consulate can act with in the US law in the US to make sure that
the Russian child or children get all the help that is available to them
under US law by representing them if it is necessary to their best
interests in court or wherever;
Russians are free to adopt those children. They choose not to. The
international adoption process is difficult and involves thousands of hours
of work by a lot of people. Those people deserve to be paid. The process of
adopting my daughters cost $40,000, but at no point did I feel “exploited.”
The Russians who were involved were genuinely interested in helping the
CHILDREN. Our adoption coordinator in Stavropol even adopted one herself.
Have YOU? I didn’t think so.
OUR government does not respond to this injustice by childishly harming
Russian children in a foolish diplomatic spat. We protect the innocent. We
do not punish them. That is why Maxim was removed from the home, and his
parents are under investigation. If they are guilty they will be punished.
Maxim will be cared for. We do not need your help. Thank you for the offer.
Your horror story is both extremely unusual, and is also something that
angers adoptive parents. I would gladly shoot those parents myself.
Personally. So you are preaching to the choir. (An American saying, which
means you are arguing with someone who only agrees with you.
And I suppose she is mature enough to be making critical decisions at the
age of 13
No one said that it wasn’t POSSIBLE to allow the Russians to visit. I said
that it was the decision of the child’s parents or legal guardians. No one
in the U.S. has the legal authority to force them to comply with the State
Department’s “advice.” That is ALL I said. Please read what I say.
Take care of your own problems first.And why beholdest thou the mote that
is in thy brother’s eye, but perceives not the beam that is in thine own
eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the
mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself see not the beam that is in
thine own eye? Thou hypocrite,cast out first the beam out of thine own eye,
and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy
brother’s eye . Luke6:41 mote the tiniest mote of dust.
Russia CAN supervise Russian children. But when they become U.S. citizens,
on U.S. soil, they have a constitutional protection from “supervision” by
foreign governments. Until they are adults, their parents Constitutional
guarantees cover their children. The United States can, and does, prosecute
and severely punish parents who abuse their children. Where do you get the
absurd idea that we don’t? They got to PRISON where they belong.
If you CARE about the children. Angrychicenthatflys, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Adopt them. At this point you are merely supporting those who would harm
the children and deny them the only chance they have in life. Nothing would
make me happier than to see all those Russian kids have Russian families.
Why aren’t you doing it?
We are equally concerned, but the world is a big place. No one can prevent
bad things from happening in all cases. You cannot have access to U.S.
citizens within the United States without their permission (if they are
adults) or the permission of their parents or legal guardians (if they are
children.) THAT is right and moral. We are a sovereign nation, not a colony
of Moscow. There is NO WAY Russia would order American access to a Russian
citizen. You know that as well as I do.
American citizens are legally considered innocent until they are proven
guilty and convicted by a jury. His parents are not “abusive” until a jury
says so. Accusation does not equal guilt. Our government can, and often
DOES, temporarily take children away from parents if there appears to be
evidence of abuse….but only the Court can make that permanent. Maxim was
place with foster parents. We have no children’s homes. Like children’s
homes, sometimes foster parents are also abusive.
When I adopted my Russian daughters, who were ages 13 and 9 at the time, we
were told that they were both “mentally retarded.” They were not in a
regular school in Russia. There were no expectations that they could ever
accomplish anything. They had virtually no education. Here, they are both
excellent students. They learned fluent English in mere months, and are
VERY intelligent. That is YOUR LOSS. You never gave them a chance. We did.
If a person can’t adopt a child in the USA then take the hint. They are
screwy in the head. That is why they have been rejected in their own nation.
Now, age 20, she is a flag-waving, gun-owning, Obama-hating AMERICAN who
happens to have a Russian accent. She does not regret her decision. She is
an adult who is entitled to her own opinions, even if you choose not to
like them. She is also proud to be a Russian woman. Her nationality has not
changed who she is.
“Many” is a big word. There have been tens of thousands of American
adoptions of Russian kids. Abuses are rare. Do you know what conditions are
like in the children’s homes? Do you know the fate that awaits most of
those kids when they turn 16? Did you know that THOUSANDS of Russian
prostitutes were temporarily exported to Germany during the World Cup, and
most of them were former “orphans”? I find that unacceptable, and I did
what I could. I saved two of them. What is your score?
It’s about the coverup of a massive child abduction / human trafficking /
sexual enslavement of American (and possibly European and Russian) children
and teens at the highest level of US government. The center of the story
takes place in Omaha Nebraska. Basically, a LOT of US government officials
willingly or unwittingly engaged with brutal sex acts with these young
victims for power, or even under the circumstances of political BLACKMAIL
to make those in Congress senate to do their bidding
english.ruvr.ru/2012_12_23/US-failing-to-honour-adoption-agreements-exclusive-interview-with-Russian-diplomat/
He is in the PHYSICAL custody of a foster family. The Court does not have
legal custody. No such decision has been made. The case is still pending in
the courts. If the decision HAD been made then he would be in the custody
of the State of Florida, and the U.S. State Department would STILL have no
authority to order the visit. We live by the rule of law here. Our
government cannot act arbitrarily. His an an American child. He is only
Russian in Russia.
You have the chutzpah to call ME a hypocrite when you haven’t adopted ANY
children? Again, I did not adopt them to pass judgement on Russia. I love
Russia, and the Russian people. I hope I get to visit again someday. I
adopted my daughters because when I saw them I know they were my daughters.
It did not matter where they were. I do not pass judgment on the “value” of
children based on where they are from.
Why can’t we all agree on two basic points: 1. The CHILDREN are important.
Politics is not. 2. The CHILDREN are better off being part of a family. 3.
Russians always have the first choice to adopt them. If Russians will not,
then it is preferable that SOMEONE adopt them than no one at all. It seems
absurd to argue against these basic points.
Ser, you simply do not understand the concept of “adoption”, nor do you
understand American law. We are fiercely protective of our Constitutional
freedoms. We are NOT LEGALLY SUBJECT TO FOREIGN POWERS. Our government
CANNOT order us to be subject to foreign powers. When children legally
adopted in a foreign country arrive in the United States they become U.S.
citizens the moment they touch the ground, by law.
American citizens are innocent until they are proven guilty. Maxim has been
TEMPORARILY removed from the home during the investigation. If they are
found guilty in a trial then it is POSSIBLE that they will permanently lose
custody. (Perhaps even “likely.”) But until then they remain his parents.
Stop trying to tell me how U.S. law works.