42 Comments on “Skeptically Speaking – Challenging the anti-buggery laws in Belize (pt 1 of 2)”
Interesting view points which speaks to the ability to recognize the rights
of all persons to choice in a respectful manner.
And thank you Linford, for coming.
Very good question Hilaire…I am curious what it the plan B since this
case seems to be the benchmark for other Islands….
Ms. Martin is sweet and a nice person but she cannot be a Christian or a
bible follower interpreting her own view of God, she can’t be a christian
and should step out of that silly system, as she is a good person and
really doesn’t need Christianity to wrap her decent self in.
Humanitarianism does not go hand in hand with Religion, religion is
totalitarian
I agree with Mary that it is ok to be gay and be a successful christian.
Question: are lesbian couples exempt?
Until it reaches their door steps they may choose to realize that even
Jesus when he walked on this earth allowed for freedom of expression
whether he agreed with it or not.
Question Comment: Do you think that just maybe in hindsight we should have
had
What are all of these personal things she is talking about…
Hey mi dawta, thanks for tuning in! You’re right about rights!
However Hilaire was it not too that the black and white churches were using
the same book called the bible? Just asking…
not only groups in Belize but other Caribbean nations?
Question: Is there a reason why Caleb wasn’t part of the programme?
They don’t Kelvin? Why not? 🙂
Catholics in Belize don’t listen to the Pope!
Man wanna holding wunna own here and tearing it up. Ms. Martin is trying to
wiggle out of the fact that the church is to blame for these. And the young
man is correct, religion creates and exploits the ignorance! Love this forum
The bible was written in a specific era it also speaks to evolution;
therefore evolution also take splace in human sexuality. My point is that
the bible is not obsolete/final.
LOL! I see the news clippings of the Vatican positions on this matter and
its very clear. Yet the churches here seem to either have selective hearing
or they just no get da memo yet. They continue to do the exact opposite of
the Vatican advice and counsel.
And was it not too that they too were also taught how to interpret the same
book by the whites???
That same tolerance for “white Americans” “allies of the ‘people of god'”,
is what happens in JA. When Nancy Wilson -MCC- came to Jamaica there was a
big problem but LCF had Paul Diamond & that was ok
I definitely disagree!
I still think someone can be gay and Christian. I was going on good until
Mr. Sobers found me 🙂
Fabian it was principally a matter of drawing on those who were available.
We do plan to include Caleb not only in this programme, but in our upcoming
radio show – Yardie Skeptics.
Iit is such a norm for some if not most fundamental christians to speak
about religious freedom but when views are not in line with theirs they
become restrictive and discriminatory in practice.
Thanks for this….
It’s quite astounding Kelvin. But such is the power of religio–culturally
charged homophobia. I see that a RC bishop in Dominica has followed the
Vatican position though.
This was a wonderful show Clive.. Thank you for having me and Mary on……
more Caribbean Islands challenging the law in the same manner that Belize
has done. So that way they would be running parallel to each other.
LGBT are represented in all races and class structures in Belize. Lines are
not as distinct as it sounds in Jamaica.
Religionists (usually- and certainly in Jamaica) say, yes there are rights,
and they love to use the right to freedom of religion as examples, yet when
it comes to orientation the rights stop.
Hahahahahahhahahah Paul!
Appreciate the good word B-P!
Depends on who you are personally. Some of us are daring enough to be as
gay as we wanna be were ever we are. I’ve done some pretty daring things in
Belize City in public. LOL
On behalf of us both – a big thank you to all the viewers who posted
comments and questions during the show! Will try to respond individually to
as many as I can.
Ha hah! I fix yuh biznis!
The bible has been used to beat up on individuals for a long time and
personally for me the bible was written and left to individual
interpretation. My thoughts
Comment: But in a society where religious freedome is allowed to be
expressed by constitution you also find it that “they know their place”
This was a great discussion and thanks for inviting me. It was worth my
time.
If the challenge fails, then we would be compelled to lobby government. No
other choice.
QuestionI am not certain of therelationshipsamong different religious
groups in Belize; however how do you see the coming togetherof religions as
well as gay groupsarguing for theirrespective rights?
The RC says homosexuality shouldn’t be criminalised, maybe, because it
conflicts is why they have decided to sleep with the Evangelical bun fiah
set.
How have Catholics in Belize responded to the Vatican’s 2008 statement,
which was repeated by the Bishop of Roseau, which calls for
decriminalization of sexual acts by consenting adults?
Interesting view points which speaks to the ability to recognize the rights
of all persons to choice in a respectful manner.
And thank you Linford, for coming.
Very good question Hilaire…I am curious what it the plan B since this
case seems to be the benchmark for other Islands….
Ms. Martin is sweet and a nice person but she cannot be a Christian or a
bible follower interpreting her own view of God, she can’t be a christian
and should step out of that silly system, as she is a good person and
really doesn’t need Christianity to wrap her decent self in.
Humanitarianism does not go hand in hand with Religion, religion is
totalitarian
I agree with Mary that it is ok to be gay and be a successful christian.
Question: are lesbian couples exempt?
Until it reaches their door steps they may choose to realize that even
Jesus when he walked on this earth allowed for freedom of expression
whether he agreed with it or not.
Question Comment: Do you think that just maybe in hindsight we should have
had
What are all of these personal things she is talking about…
Hey mi dawta, thanks for tuning in! You’re right about rights!
However Hilaire was it not too that the black and white churches were using
the same book called the bible? Just asking…
not only groups in Belize but other Caribbean nations?
Question: Is there a reason why Caleb wasn’t part of the programme?
They don’t Kelvin? Why not? 🙂
Catholics in Belize don’t listen to the Pope!
Man wanna holding wunna own here and tearing it up. Ms. Martin is trying to
wiggle out of the fact that the church is to blame for these. And the young
man is correct, religion creates and exploits the ignorance! Love this forum
The bible was written in a specific era it also speaks to evolution;
therefore evolution also take splace in human sexuality. My point is that
the bible is not obsolete/final.
LOL! I see the news clippings of the Vatican positions on this matter and
its very clear. Yet the churches here seem to either have selective hearing
or they just no get da memo yet. They continue to do the exact opposite of
the Vatican advice and counsel.
And was it not too that they too were also taught how to interpret the same
book by the whites???
That same tolerance for “white Americans” “allies of the ‘people of god'”,
is what happens in JA. When Nancy Wilson -MCC- came to Jamaica there was a
big problem but LCF had Paul Diamond & that was ok
I definitely disagree!
I still think someone can be gay and Christian. I was going on good until
Mr. Sobers found me 🙂
Fabian it was principally a matter of drawing on those who were available.
We do plan to include Caleb not only in this programme, but in our upcoming
radio show – Yardie Skeptics.
Iit is such a norm for some if not most fundamental christians to speak
about religious freedom but when views are not in line with theirs they
become restrictive and discriminatory in practice.
Thanks for this….
It’s quite astounding Kelvin. But such is the power of religio–culturally
charged homophobia. I see that a RC bishop in Dominica has followed the
Vatican position though.
This was a wonderful show Clive.. Thank you for having me and Mary on……
more Caribbean Islands challenging the law in the same manner that Belize
has done. So that way they would be running parallel to each other.
LGBT are represented in all races and class structures in Belize. Lines are
not as distinct as it sounds in Jamaica.
Religionists (usually- and certainly in Jamaica) say, yes there are rights,
and they love to use the right to freedom of religion as examples, yet when
it comes to orientation the rights stop.
Hahahahahahhahahah Paul!
Appreciate the good word B-P!
Depends on who you are personally. Some of us are daring enough to be as
gay as we wanna be were ever we are. I’ve done some pretty daring things in
Belize City in public. LOL
On behalf of us both – a big thank you to all the viewers who posted
comments and questions during the show! Will try to respond individually to
as many as I can.
Ha hah! I fix yuh biznis!
The bible has been used to beat up on individuals for a long time and
personally for me the bible was written and left to individual
interpretation. My thoughts
Comment: But in a society where religious freedome is allowed to be
expressed by constitution you also find it that “they know their place”
This was a great discussion and thanks for inviting me. It was worth my
time.
If the challenge fails, then we would be compelled to lobby government. No
other choice.
QuestionI am not certain of therelationshipsamong different religious
groups in Belize; however how do you see the coming togetherof religions as
well as gay groupsarguing for theirrespective rights?
The RC says homosexuality shouldn’t be criminalised, maybe, because it
conflicts is why they have decided to sleep with the Evangelical bun fiah
set.
How have Catholics in Belize responded to the Vatican’s 2008 statement,
which was repeated by the Bishop of Roseau, which calls for
decriminalization of sexual acts by consenting adults?