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20 Comments on “Wendell Berry on Homosexual Marriage”

  1. Wise, considered and compassionate- a sane voice amid the din. Thank you so much for uploading. Mat we all be happy. May we all be peaceful. May we all be free from suffering. x 

  5. He is not condoning homosexual behavior, he is merely pointing out the hypocrisy of Christians in isolating homosexuality as something more severe or substantial than other sins. Monogamy is not natural, it is spiritual, he is correct.

  6. Marriage should have never come under the auspices of government. Churches refuse marriage for couples on many grounds and has the right to do so. If the government wishes to legislate and administrate marriage so be it, but it is not a God sanctioned or Heavenly legal marriage. Enjoyed the sermon, thank you Wendell.

  9. Very wise man. Government has no room in people's personal lives, yet today that is what Conservatives strive to do. Judging others by their own religious and personal views, it wrong!

  11. I greatly admire Wendell Berry and was actually nervous to listen to this for fear of him denouncing homosexuality.I was pleasantly relieved to see that he is a fair , realistic and honest man in his observations of hypocrisy , bias opinions and unfair violations of personal boundaries by extremists that want to afflict and force their beliefs on others .We all have a right to live free and as we wish without fear or judgements of anyone person , belief or group.

  12. This is often wise and helpful – and, if an ever older doc, still refreshing. Even so, the question of separating the private from the public is – alas – little less simple or difficult than finding a common-enough morality or Good for a society always-already [and simultaneously] defining itself as BOTH [vaguely] theistic and progressive. The issue of the disproportion with which the classically religious dilate on one kind of sin while, say, vigilantly ignoring others no less sinful and possibly worse is both a point well taken and, finally or functionally, a distraction for any who at least, at times glimpse or intuit that the root and goal of the Good might indeed yet pertain, dependably, to a holiness whose uncanny love will finally not abide any sin (and that the latter is not truthfully reduced, finally, to the merely 'subcultural' any more than it can be compacted into a late-pragmatist category of 'convention' simply). Let there be mercy, pity, peace, and authentic love (as well as enduring epistemic humility) indeed; and let the obedience to the Good be allowed and lovingly expanded, should it bring Health both natural and spiritual. Such an attitude will not fit, of course, in any of the two ever more simplistic political sides/poles. It may be that Mr. Berry problematically adopts and assumes the confusion of behavior with being that is the official, liberal line; but he does importantly outline many other harms that are at least as evil and wildly ignored by conservatives. The tacit anology between the crucified and the sexually progressive may seem problematic and much more need be said …but who could say it as well or winsomely as W.B.!?

  16. But the Bible says:
    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. – Leviticus 18:22 KJV
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. – Leviticus 20:13 KJV
    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. – Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV
    Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. – Deuteronomy 24:4 KJV
    And one hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter. – Ezekiel 22:11 KJV

    Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith. – Ezekiel 16:29 KJV
    But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. – Matthew 5:32 KJV
    And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. – Matthew 19:9 KJV
    As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. – Acts 21:25 KJV
    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. – Romans 1:28-32 KJV
    It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. – 1 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
    Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. … Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. – 1 Corinthians 6:13, 18 KJV
    Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. – 1 Corinthians 7:2 KJV
    Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. – 1 Corinthians 10:8 KJV
    And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. – 2 Corinthians 12:21 KJV
    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. – Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; – Ephesians 5:3 KJV
    Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. – Colossians 3:5-7 KJV
    For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. – 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 KJV
    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. – Jude 1:7 KJV
    What we think has no power over what God says, or what God will do. He has given us the above examples, and told us exactly what He will do: judge sin. But God has sent His Son to die on the cross to pay for all our sin: Jesus took our sin, paid for our sin on the cross with His perfect blood, died, put away our sin, and rose again according to the scriptures. God says if you will believe Jesus did it for you, you will be saved: that's the gospel; that's the good news! You do not have to go to hell to pay for your sins; you can go to heaven by Jesus' payment for your sins. Will you trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, now?
    For more information about the gospel of Jesus Christ: https://giftofgodmissions.wordpress.com/2016/08/27/ggm-gospel-tract-with-titles/

  20. I dissent. On abortion he is simply wrong morally and logically and contrary to his claim he is not taking a middle ground but simply the leftwing view. Abortion is not a private or personal matter. The question is what is the status of the unborn. If it is a human being than it has certain inalienable rights that presumptively must be defended. There is not private activity in what one person does in violation of another human being’s rights.

    On SSM, I only recognize heterosexual marriage as morally legitimate but it’s wrong to say or imply homosexuals were not allowed to marry. They could but not have the state recognize it.

    I agree with Mr. Berry that I don’t think that the state should be in the business of recognizing any marriage gay or straight. In the meantime the recognition of SSM would seem to be inevitable.

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